The Cheat Sheet: Tacos and Teens

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Content Warning This episode contains discussion of violence, rape, sexual assault and murder.

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So today on the Cheat Sheet we're going to be talking about four different cases. A Tennessee

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_00]: case involving a murdered soldier. An Ohio case involving a spate of random violence that occurred

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_00]: at a drive-through. A serial killer that may be operating in the area around Austin, Texas.

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And the case of two teenagers accused of committing a heinous crime in Kansas.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: My name is Anya Cain, I'm a journalist. And I'm Kevin Greenlee, I'm an attorney.

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is The Murder Sheet. We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting,

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: interviews and deep dives into murder cases. Where's the murder sheet?

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is The Cheat Sheet. Tacos and Teens. So to start out with, let's talk about the case of a

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_00]: soldier in Tennessee. This is a very sad case and it's one that came to us through a list

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and a recommendation. And our sources for this are the Army Times, WSMV, WKRN and the

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Clarksville Leaf Chronicle. That last one you have to subscribe to. And just to be clear,

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: when we link to something and there's a paywall, people ask us to sort of pirate their stuff.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to do that. That's taking money from local journalists and their work has value.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So we would encourage folks if you want to follow a case in depth, oftentimes subscribing

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_00]: to a local paper is a great way of doing that. So this case is out of Tennessee

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and it involves 23 year old private first class Katia Duane, I'm sorry, Katia Duaneas Aguilera.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And she was from Muskeet, Texas and enlisted in the Army back in 2018. She's a mom. She has

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: a four-year-old son and she belonged to the 101st Combat Aviation Brigade, part of the

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: 101st Airborne Division. So she was based at Fort Campbell and that is a fort that literally

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: straddles the border between Kentucky and Tennessee. It's right in between Hopkinsville,

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Tennessee and Clarksville, I'm sorry, Hopkinsville, Kentucky and Clarksville,

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Tennessee. And she was herself living in a residence on Tiny Town Road in Clarksville,

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Tennessee. So May 18th, police arrive at her house and they realize a homicide has

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: taken place. Katia has been stabbed 68 times in the head and upper body and her murder has

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: no resolution so far. It's August now, this happened in May. Right now there is a $55,000

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: reward from her family and League of United Latin American Citizens and that's for

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: information that leads to an arrest or a conviction. So we would just stress if anyone

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_00]: has any information about that case, please send in the tip now. You can call the Clarksville,

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Montgomery County Crime Stoppers tip line at 931-645-8477. And I think next we're going to

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_00]: be heading to Ohio for another case that has gotten quite a lot of attention recently.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this is a case involving a murder, a murder-suicide actually that happened at the

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: drive through of Taco Bell. It is kind of a bizarre story but certainly a sad one. A 25-year-old

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: woman named Megan Kellerman is in the car with her dog at a Taco Bell and someone rear ends

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: her. And she pushes the button where you order your food and says, someone rear ended me,

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: you should call the police. But the next thing that happens is the person who rear ended her,

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_01]: a 53-year-old Jason Williams, gets out of his vehicle and approaches Megan's vehicle

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and he kills her. And then he kills himself. And as far as investigators know at the time of

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: this recording at least there is no known connection between these two people. It was

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: a completely random act of horrifying violence. And it is very disturbing and unsettling just the

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: utter randomness of it. All this woman did was go to the Taco Bell to get a bite to eat with

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: her dog. She did nothing wrong. It's just you should be able to go to Taco Bell if you want

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and go home safely.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Laurenie Krook Yeah. And, oh god, it makes me so angry

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: that this, no offense, 53-year-old loser basically took away the life of a 25-year-old

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: woman who had her entire life ahead of her that she could have enjoyed, had plenty of

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_00]: people who loved and supported her. And basically what he got mad in line at Taco Bell so she had

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_00]: to die. I mean like, I feel like sometimes the violence in this country gets so normalized

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's like we shouldn't have to live in fear from people like this. We shouldn't have to,

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean why? Why? You know apparently he had been honking his horn at her so like

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. I don't know whether there's a mental illness thing. Nothing freaking excuses it.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care. You know, I mean if someone is that troubled then they frankly shouldn't be out

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and left for everyone else to deal with their issues.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: You should be able to go to Taco Bell.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Laurenie Krook You should be able to go to Taco Bell and frankly you should be able to,

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, people do all sorts of things all the time in cars. Honestly I do wonder sometimes

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: that there is a tendency with human beings in general where we kind of get behind the wheel

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and we kind of become a lot more ragey. I know I can be more angry when I'm on the road.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that is actually pretty common but I'm certainly not going to kill anyone over it.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I might be like, oh I might swear a lot more if someone cuts me off but the idea that then you

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: would do anything beyond maybe drop a couple curse words, I don't understand that. And I guess I'm

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: like something like this does not happen overnight with this Williams person. Something

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: like this does not happen overnight and I'm sure there were a ton of warning signs if you

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_00]: looked closer and I feel like as a society there should be a way of dealing with that

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: before it leads to innocent people getting hurt.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Dave Kroeper I feel awful for this woman. I also have a lot of sympathy for the fact that

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: this was apparently a pretty crowded drive-through restaurant. So this happened

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: in front of a lot of people. A lot of people saw this horrible event and they're

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: going to have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_00]: You take your family out to Taco Bell or you take yourself out to Taco Bell or you're just

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: working there earning a living and some selfish middle-aged man just does something like this

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_00]: for no reason. And it's like, I don't know. It sickens me. It really sickens me. This kind

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: of thing where it's just this random could happen to literally anyone. Anyone could have

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_00]: been in that line. It just really pisses me off and I just don't know what the answer is

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: but this shouldn't be happening. This is not a functioning criminal justice system where people

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: are just doing this to each other. Dave Kroeper

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all of us go to fast food places and sit in the drive-throughs. This could happen

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: to anybody. Nicole Zichal

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, now are we ready to move on to our next case?

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Dave Kroeper Yes.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole Zichal So what do we have next? Is this the one we both accidentally did?

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Dave Kroeper Yeah, so usually when we do this,

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: we go through, we each pick a couple of cases and we pick the same case.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole Zichal We pick the same case.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Dave Kroeper Now I think you saw that somebody emailed it to us. I didn't even see that.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole Zichal Yeah, we had a listener recommendation.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: You were on the same wavelength as the listener who recommended this to us because…

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Dave Kroeper I just go through Google News looking

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: for interesting cases. Nicole Zichal

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well you and this listener… Dave Kroeper

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You like to have our listeners help you? Nicole Zichal

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I like to have the listeners help me because oftentimes they encourage us to do cases I

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: either hadn't heard of or kind of gets into some interesting places. So we kind of have

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: a different approach, but we both ended up taking notes on this. So I guess we could both just

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: switch back and forth on this one. But my source is with the Austin American Statesman

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and the press release from the Austin Police Department.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Dave Kroeper Why don't you start telling us about it?

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole Zichal All right, so I'm going to start out by

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: saying I hate it when people jump to conclusions about serial killers. Oftentimes there's no

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_00]: serial killer. Serial killers are very rare. They're not something that are like a garden

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: variety sort of thing when it comes to criminals. And oftentimes people don't

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_00]: seem to recognize that police have a lot more about crime scene specifics. I'm talking about

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: DNA, signatures of a crime, different factors that could go point toward a serial killer

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that the public is not privy to. And I promise, I promise they often check those things.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And if they're not making connections, I think it's very irresponsible for people to be doing

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: so beyond some really good evidence and even indications that police are dropping the ball on

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: it. So that's my caveat. That being said, when police come out and say that they believe

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: they have a serial killer or somebody doing a series of crimes, that is important. And what

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I read about in the Austin American Statesman indicates that there is very likely some kind of

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: serial killer targeting women in the Austin, Texas area. So do you want to talk about the

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: first crime that happened or rather the second crime that happened, but the first one that

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of came up recently in 2024? Tim Cynova So are you talking about the murder of

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Alyssa Rivera? Her body was discovered inside an abandoned house back in June,

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and police indicated at the time that they thought her death was quote suspicious. And

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: they indicated that she had been murdered by a person unknown.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. Okay, so yeah, she's murdered or found on June 21 of this year. And this is 2600 Metcalfe

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Road on the south of East Old Torf Street in Austin. And she was 34 years old. So it's

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: obviously incredibly tragic. But there was DNA at the scene. Tim Cynova There's DNA at the

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: scene and that becomes crucial because of tell us. Alyssa Rivera So on April 14, 2018,

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: a 20 year old young woman named Alba Janice Aviles left Club Carribee in

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Balstrop County. And she was then subsequently found in her car and sexually assaulted.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And she had been strangled. So there was a very similar modus operandi here.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And when I looked at pictures from the Austin Police Department, they showed her car

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: parked in a sort of dirt grove, dirt, dirt gravel road area in some grass. And police found that

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_00]: the DNA of that crime scene matched the one at Alyssa's crime scene. And so

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: the one problem is the perpetrator is not in the National Combined DNA Index System or CODIS.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: CODIS is the system used on a national basis where law enforcement can check if an offender

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: has ever been in the system and they can get a name and whatnot. So right now there's a link to

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: the crime scenes are linked, but we don't know who this person is.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Tim Cynova And I think it's important to

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: indicate that both women had been strangled. Alyssa Rivera Yes.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Tim Cynova So very similar method of operation there.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Alyssa Rivera Now what's interesting is that Alyssa was actually captured on

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_00]: surveillance footage, blurry surveillance footage, walking with a man shortly before her death.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, I mean, I look at the images and I think that they're kind of

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: blurry. But we'll include a link. Please check it out especially if you live in the Austin area.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Just also make other women in that area know, you know, make it known to people that this

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: is going on. This is actually something that is currently dangerous. And the fact that this man

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: is still out there is very scary for women in that area because obviously women in that area

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: are being targeted if this is happening twice. You know, could be happening even more and just

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: other victims haven't been found yet. But all you know, it's bad enough as it is right now

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: with what we know. So if you happen to have any information on this call the Austin Police

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Department at 512-974-TIPS or you can also submit anonymous tips through the Capital Area

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Crime Stoppers program and that's at 512-472-8477. And you can also go to austincrimestoppers.org.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But let's get the word out about this. This is very scary and I can only hope that if they

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: have the perpetrator's DNA to that extent that there's some capacity to do some genetic

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: genealogy. But of course, that does not happen overnight. Yeah, it's interesting that

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_01]: this guy apparently killed at least two women. And I remember in the past we did an interview

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: with Dr. Michael Arnfeld who talked about how there may be serial killers out there who have

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: not been identified. So it, this guy would certainly seem to fit that bill and I'd also

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: be curious if there are other murders in the Austin area that could fit this. What do you think?

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I would be curious too. Although frankly, if they were committed recently and there was DNA

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: evidence, I would imagine that they would have already matched already. Right. Because like,

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: again, I don't know how old this potential perpetrator is. I don't know all the details,

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_00]: but if he's leaving DNA at crime scenes then it feels like they probably would have linked

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: those already. But it's always possible that in some cases he did and in others they didn't

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and they'll need to use more of like signatures and whatnot and circumstances to match them to

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: those. So it's definitely possible. But I'm glad that they at least have jumped on this now

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and are publicizing it because the public really needs to, these are situations the public

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: really needs to be made aware for their own safety. Someone is going out and doing

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: this again and again. Right, exactly. So therefore anyone could be at risk.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's move on to Kansas and my sources for this were kake.com and kwch.com.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a tragic story where 93-year-old Joanne Johnson of Augusta, Kansas was found

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: murdered in her home. Apparently she was beaten to death and the family, the neighborhood loved

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: this woman. She by all counts a wonderful human being 93 years old and an arrest has been made

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and the people who were arrested were a pair of teenage girls, two 14-year-old girls.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to highlight this because KAKE's reporter Dev Ferris actually got the opportunity

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: to talk with the father of one of these girls and he relayed to her what he said was his

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: daughter's account of what happened and he indicated that he believed this account,

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: that according to him his daughter said that she and her friend were just out and about.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: They were in a park and a man came up and somehow convinced them to go with him to the

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: home of this 93-year-old woman and while the man was there he took an axe from the woman's

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: garage and beat the woman to death as the two teenage girls watched helplessly and

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: the father says my daughter held her hands over her friend's ears so she couldn't hear what

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: was happening and the man who did this said he would kill them and their families if they told

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: anyone what happened. That's interesting to me because on so many levels that seems frankly

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: to be a preposterous story. It seems to be a very preposterous story. Why would these

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: girls go with him? Why would he commit this murder in front of them and then just let them go?

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't make sense but I think it's interesting because when you love someone

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't want to believe the worst of them and so if they tell you a preposterous story

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there is always a temptation to try to convince yourself it could be true.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You know it's love but it's also like I mean frankly the kind of parent who would make

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: excuses for something like this and buy some patently false nonsense like that in an attempt

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: to enable their child after their child did something frankly horrifying sounds about like

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: the kind of parent who would raise a 14-year-old who would think it would be okay to go bludgeon

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: someone to death. So I think I have a less nice take on it than you do. You're like

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like negligent parenting and you know what I don't care if that's mean. I mean this is not

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: 14-year-olds being rude at a restaurant or like you know shoplifting. This is something pretty

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: extreme and that story is nonsense. That is balderdash and any adult person taking that

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: seriously should be thoroughly embarrassed and you know what like maybe your priority instead

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: of making up nonsense or buying into nonsense should be actually figuring out what happened

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: in your teen's life where they thought that this was going to be an okay thing to do

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and getting them the help necessary they need to because I mean I understand that they're

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: not going to be charging these kids as adults here. Is that right? That's my understanding.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not naming them so they're not being charged as adults therefore they probably will

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: get out pretty quickly and I would hope that the parents in this case instead of being like

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah it was just that mysterious white man who kind of just did this randomly and

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: then disappeared into the night. I would hope that they would be actually working with these

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: kids to figure out how something like this doesn't happen again and how they can be

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: brought back into society without being a danger to other people.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just I mean and this is why when people say like oh how could teenagers you know like

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: every time there's a situation where there's like a very young person accused of doing something

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: people are like wow how could that be and I understand that because we tend to think

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: of kids as inherently innocent but when you're talking about teenagers we're talking about like

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_00]: people who are still developing and they might have the strength and abilities of adults in

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: some ways but they also have very poor impulse control generally compared to adults. They have

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: you know they don't have a lot of perspective and they can make choices. This is not all

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: teenagers but teenagers are capable of making choices that can lead to really really horrifying

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: violence just as much as an adult perpetrator. It's actually when you look at crime statistics

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_00]: you know younger people are very much many of the people committing violent crimes and that's just

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that's just normal so. You mentioned this reminds a bit of another case.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so we interviewed an author named Alex Marr she did a really excellent book called 70

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_00]: times 7 and this was all about the murder of a woman named Ruth Pelkey and she was a 78 year

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_00]: woman in Garia Indiana and four girls locally talked their way into her house they sort of

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_00]: pretended like they wanted Bible lessons but they actually wanted to steal from her

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and one of them was a 15 year old named Paula Cooper who brutally helped brutally beat this

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_00]: woman to death and she was convicted. She was sentenced to death and then one of Ruth

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Pelkey's relatives was very much advocating for her not to receive the death penalty so the book

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: is all about that. I'd recommend it it's really well written it's a very interesting story but

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: you know that's another case where you have very young girls just murdering an old lady

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_00]: for no reason and this is kind of this just sort of reminded me of that a little bit

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know I mean I'm very much a person where like I think you know especially with kids

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_00]: like there can be times for rehabilitation there can be conversations had about that

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_00]: in different contexts so I'm not necessarily against that but one thing that is kind of an

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: important part of rehabilitation is sort of like admitting what happened and if the dad was

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: saying no I don't think they were there that's impossible they couldn't have done that I would

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_00]: be more understanding of his perspective because maybe he's just like maybe the police

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_00]: got the wrong people that's fine okay that's a respectable opinion but when it's like oh

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_00]: they were involved but not really and also this happened but they didn't tell anyone

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and no like that's that's nonsense what do you think I I'll be looking forward to learning

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: more about this case going forward absolutely and you know I was I was thinking

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: uh my mind always goes in strange directions and I know it just uh occurs to me

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: we're always concerned about uh health issues you know you talk about mental health it's also

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: obviously physical health and we just happen to be at the grocery store you're buying cherries

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that's kind of a healthy little snack and I saw that there was already halloween candy

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: out and it occurred to me of course all kids love getting candy for halloween but is there

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: something healthier you could give to kids for a trick-or-treat what about t-shirts

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: what wouldn't any child across this great land love to receive say oh a murder sheet people

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: t-shirt that's that's your pitch this week

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying I'm doing my best to transition here I mean well I we don't really want kids listening

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: to the murder sheet because it's it's a it's very we talk about a lot of disturbing stuff

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I think your ad this this time was actually worse than my ad last week

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: okay uh redo redo start over you get another shot go go you know Anya

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_01]: in this workaday world yeah yes it's oh you always love to see people on the streets of this

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: great nation looking good wearing a fashionable garment yeah you do I love it like say I always

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I always love it when I see people wearing a great t-shirt yeah is there a way that I

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: this is a citizen of this great land shouldn't obtain a t-shirt that has oh the image of like

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: a restaurant on it and maybe some words pertaining to a particular podcast is there a way

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I could obtain such a t-shirt yes how would I do this go to murdersheetshop.com

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: um and if I did not only so would the only reason to do this be to look great and stylish

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and improve my social and professional prospects or would this also be a way of showing uh support

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: to my favorite podcast the latter so it sounds like it's a win-win it's a win for everyone

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and also if if uh I have extras I can give them out as trick-or-trick-or-treaters no no no

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: no drop the trick-or-treating otherwise that was very good you ruined it at the end you tripped

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: over your own feet at the finish line but it was a it was a valiant effort there my ads carry

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: this program that's what you've been told I don't know if people are going to be singing

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: that tune this week I think all your little acolytes are gonna be uh gonna be pretty

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_00]: concerned about your advertising abilities but I think uh I think the the second redo ad was

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: pretty good that was my take that was you so you preferred ad number two but the fact is

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: with a t-shirt there was multiple uses you can do whatever you want with it that just sounds

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: weird what are people gonna be wear the t-shirt don't don't be doing whatever you're what are

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you doing what if you want like a t-shirt to wear a t-shirt to preserve for archival

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: purposes what if you went okay I can't give these out to trick-or-treaters that's a bad

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: idea yeah it's a stupid idea that's a stupid idea stupid idea I don't think they need to do

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: anything with the trick-or-treaters I think I think this is just for our adult listeners

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and they can wear them at their at their leisure and uh sport them and and show that

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_00]: they support us and it really helps us out when they buy them it helps us out tremendously

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and they look great they look stylish yes you when you wear one of these t-shirts

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and go out on the town you get nothing but compliments but they're all from you

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_00]: no they look really nice and we really appreciate everyone who's following so far

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: yes and if you join our patreon at the five dollar level you get free shipping

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and just uh look for the code in your welcome email is the code in the welcome email yes

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_00]: okay I've since made some adjustments there were some complaints no there weren't complaints

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_00]: me complaining about myself but it was it was yeah and there was one small lawsuit filed

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_00]: but all that's been taken care of don't say that because people are gonna be like

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_00]: oh my god there was no lawsuit filed but um but yeah no it's it's good I liked your second

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: ad I liked what you're saying about like the great nation and people on the street looking

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: stylish you like to see it that was good this is a t-shirt for the average joe on the

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_01]: guy that cocktail whatever in New York City so every this is sure for everybody everybody

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: everyone can get behind this this is going to heal our divided nation

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: whether you're in a blue state or a red state there are no blue states or red states they're

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: just murder sheet states and this is the way to prove it I just got an image of you know

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: that meme of a Jeb Bush like with his arms flung in front of like a an America that has

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_00]: all the Jeb winning I just imagine you with that but with the murder sheet of all the states

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: see it could happen I love it my ads it's been said it's been said many a time my ads

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_00]: carry the program yeah one person said it one person said that once and frankly that person's

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: probably very much reassessing everything right now well have a good weekend everybody thanks

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