The signing of the Declaration of Independence - Part 2: Buttons' Revenge

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[00:00:23] We're now offering eligible patients online access to GLP1s, All right, all right. Welcome to another episode of America's Stories. I'm Jeff Townsend, Luke, and real Jack, not to be confused with the fake Jack. Our joining me today is we go on another great America story.

[00:01:40] That's what we do here at America's Stories.

[00:01:41] We share American history stories and a light fun-hearted yet educational manner. So we are going to have a conversation about some of the fallout of it in regards to how the public was thinking about it, not only in America, but also in Britain. Is that correct? Yes, correct. Both people who are for it and against it and how it was seen.

[00:03:02] Also we will talk about a couple more people who signed the declaration that aren't talked

[00:03:07] about it as well as just either. I'd say he was. Yeah, you gotta be a nobleman. Name me the Lord. Okay. Not the Lord Lord. Sorry. There's a difference between the Lord and Lord. So Lord have Lord. Lord. Oh, they here in me because I'm just a common man here. Local printers just carried a legislative copy of this? Yeah, well, it was such a big deal that every printer throughout the land

[00:05:41] was making their own copies to distribute because people are buying like hotcakes.

[00:06:42] and XRU broke up like, hey, I was gonna do this. Yeah.

[00:06:44] I wonder how true that really is.

[00:06:46] I, you know, we do know that there was prepared documents

[00:06:50] through our piece of cord and stuff that they had there,

[00:06:53] but we don't know what, how well meeting they were

[00:06:55] in the center if they were, you know,

[00:06:58] planning on asking for too much,

[00:07:00] no, they wouldn't give up on it.

[00:07:02] So they sent a document back home though,

[00:08:04] literally wasn't listening to what people were actually saying. He was just going by what he believed was probably the case. A little arrogant.

[00:08:08] Yeah, a little bit. Actually, I wonder,

[00:08:12] you know, where people kind of

[00:08:16] correcting him on this, you know, or if people would dissy, because, you know,

[00:08:20] I got to imagine it would be kind of difficult to talk to the king like that where it's like,

[00:08:24] you know, people actually don't like you very much over there. that signed a declaration of dependence as a protest. It was signed by over 500 people in Delaware. Now, that seems like a plot for an episode of always signing in Philadelphia. It was a plot of always signing in Philadelphia when they did it like a, in the past episode,

[00:09:43] they showed them signing a declaration of dependence

[00:09:46] because everybody actually happened.

[00:09:48] Wow, I did not have this. The king didn't officially address the Parliament with a thing about it until late October. By this point, they had heard about Washington being beaten in New York and being on the run. So he kind of coupled it together into one address, talking about how these pathetic,

[00:11:01] in his words, warmongers finding the best use for everyone. But he wrote about this and he was calling it like a ridiculous notion brought forward by

[00:12:21] people of low understanding of how things were to the independent human being wanted.

[00:13:29] completely misled. There are a lot of loyalists, but the majority of Americans were either wanting nothing to do with England or didn't care one way to do it. So it came down to

[00:13:35] much easier to push people towards revolution because only a few people wanted desperately I don't know. It kind of like an early form of an internet petition, I guess, to some degree. One of the things that happened in the colonies, though, that was a big influence on public opinion to the soul with all these people making this change because of the declaration. And then there are a few bricks being laid for the future of the country. And some people realize that's coming But how can he not be same last name back then? Well, you know, it's obviously possible, but I think it's one of those things where I was like, maybe there was, I mean, he was probably, he's probably is related somewhat distantly, though probably, because. You know, I had a girl in elementary school that claimed she was relate, like I had a fellow student claimed she was related to Johnny Appleseed.

[00:17:42] Really?

[00:17:43] Who am I to challenge it?

[00:17:45] Yeah, what are you gonna do?

[00:17:46] I mean, we could just say this guy is for sure related to Yeah, kind of like John and Sam Adams. Yeah. The Whipples would meet the Whipples. So this Whipple would have definitely fixed the lock. Yeah. This is a normal lock fixture. So William Whipple, he had a slave named Prince Whipple after they had signed the decoration. Prince spoke to him and he said, you know, you're saying

[00:19:03] that you're fighting for everyone's liberty.

[00:19:05] And I'm still enslaved to you.

[00:20:08] a general. And so he protects him. He in fact, in the Washington crossing the Delaware meeting, there is a black man with an

[00:20:12] oar that is like pushing ice away. That is apparently supposed

[00:20:17] to be Prince Whipple. He was on board that boat with him

[00:20:22] because William Whipple was on board that boat with Washington

[00:20:24] as well. I remember that I've got 70 years old afterwards. The other guy though I wanna talk about is another signer. His name is Button Gwyneth.

[00:21:41] Button, Button as a button.

[00:21:45] He was named after his grandmother Button. One of the things he's known for is he has a tremendous lack of signatures out there available for people to be like, you know, on documents. He's wasn't particularly famous or very high up before he signed the declaration and he died a year later. So his name is only on, they believe, a total of 51 documents.

[00:24:06] much was this button worth? How much did you say? $1.5 million. That's a good button. That's a hell of a button. For the perspective, the most expensive

[00:24:11] Babe Ruth baseball sold for $388,000 while a signature of Abraham Lincoln on a letter

[00:24:20] defending the mass of patient proclamation went for several or $50,000. No, it gives old buttons. I don't like button after this. So button was when he first first coming up as a politician, didn't make it very far, mostly because he was kind of inept, but he became really popular when he signed the declaration,

[00:25:40] because he was elected as a representative to be in Congress.

[00:25:43] And after he signed it, he was like, okay but button had political clout still from signing the declaration and he got reelected and he was able to also get duel? Yeah, it was a duel. Washington became greatly concerned that buttons, uh, underlings were going murder Lachlan. So he brought him up north out of Georgia and Lachlan served with distinction at Valley Forge with him.

[00:28:21] And so that is the end of the button Gwen.

[00:28:25] He is a paid-and-ask, like the top button on the dress shirt.

[00:28:28] Yeah. dual and have and people like get a little bit of power and politics and they really let it get to look at power and kind of like fame and leave this kind of they started believing in their own story. So do you think about button challenging this dual he thought he wouldn't accept that what he did he was like oh junta, or the one that I think is a little bit stranger than is the leather imprint society. It's like a swingers group, or? No, it was like a min self health society.

[00:31:03] So kind of like a swingers group, but. A little bit.

[00:31:04] That is interesting.

[00:31:04] Yeah, so like you us on an emotional rollercoaster there, Luke. I knew that he was going to be an interesting read when I saw his name and list of signings. I was like, there's no way a person named button Gwyneth doesn't have a story

[00:32:24] that's worth telling.

[00:32:25] So you were like, read about this.

[00:32:27] You're legitimately excited.

[00:33:27] wealth to do was just to get a, uh, a general's, what they call assignment.

[00:33:34] And you would then try to get a simple battle or like a system or senior general, like someone like Washington and try to just get glory by being there.

[00:33:44] And they assumed, you know, the. And it hits through the house,

[00:35:02] smashes through a horse, nearly hits the magic cannon also goodbye was to have been like up high or something I don't know I'll defend on what the elevation and crap like that goes and or it may have just been in the yard but we're just we don't really know yeah yeah that was at least and better than they were drunk then what they convinced me it was

[00:36:20] your agent we don't know if it was a cannon unit oh yeah that's still crazy

[00:36:25] regardless that I'd be a weird thing to be sitting around just and that happens second class citizens basically across the ocean from the main country. They also sent a copy of the declaration to France to attempt to begin the process of getting them on our side and they also sent a copy to the king of Spain. Jack, I think it's that time of the episode where we get asked questions. Yes, it is. Actually wanted to talk about the ink stand. Yeah. Yeah, the stain

[00:38:43] like a house, something like this would be possibly made at the time. I guess there were probably molds that they poured some parts into.

[00:38:47] But yeah, it's a it's pretty interesting looking.

[00:38:52] And yeah, I was kind of curious what all those parts were.

[00:38:56] So I guess, so I guess there's some, this is at least one of the

[00:38:58] probably holds that the ink and then the quill and then there's the, there's

[00:39:02] also another piece there.

[00:39:04] I don't know if it's in that picture, but it's called a pounce pot.

[00:40:05] finger in that video. And again, what is up with the hands and the coat with all these pictures?

[00:40:15] And I only count three fingers on that hand. And it's something that doesn't look right. That's why he's using.

[00:40:16] He's just like an AI gerated version.

[00:40:21] And the hands once again in the jacket.

[00:40:24] I was actually kind of curious a little bit about, you know, now that we're talking about and they agree it can be rescinded if both sides agree for reading before. So hold on, hold on. Is this like a, so you almost sound like a contract is signed when two are going to duel.

[00:41:40] Well, it kind of is like a legal thing because if you're in a duel, you can't be charged

[00:41:45] with murder. How does one know that one truly accept? You know, they usually will do it in writing. So you challenge a person in like a newspaper or something like that. And then I button, Glindle, Glindle challenge out of the other individual block.

[00:43:00] I'm thinking about a bunch.

[00:43:02] Mackintosh computer to any Google.

[00:43:05] Does the accept question mark? resolution of some guy where you like agrees the outcome of something if you fight each other. It's not attempted murder if it's below the knee. I mean, it's like you're trying to tell me here. I guess this isn't it. It doesn't it doesn't result in serious bodily harm. It's like with guns. Is this like a wrestling duel? But it's more like a yeah, it's like some sort of like, you know, you agree to some sort

[00:44:23] of contract and you like, you know, Mark Twain. Mark Twain. Yeah. Mark Twain was challenged to do it once and I think he got out of it. No, no, the other guy got out of it by being like stick set today or something like that.

[00:45:40] And so they just called it off.

[00:45:42] I mean, I was challenged to do a two

[00:45:43] in the Walmart parking lot,

[00:45:44] but it just didn't seem of it. I would at least there's at least two, right? So hold on to explain to me the rules of a dual here. It's like a one shot thing, right? So how does a dual work exactly if you go walk me through a dual depends on the rules used and time period?

[00:47:01] Sounds like Bill Clinton.

[00:47:02] Yeah, because some some some do what the word is is.

[00:48:02] It's a little interesting topic.

[00:48:04] It's just I just can't imagine that

[00:48:08] You don't go into it thinking that someone's gonna die

[00:48:14] There's a good chance someone's gonna die. I don't know what kind of dueling you're talking about in Texas

[00:48:17] You know cause bodily harm or whatever

[00:48:21] There seems to be a good chance someone's gonna die when you do a duel

[00:48:24] Is it knows a common point. I mean, I would have to look up this. There's a case like that. I would have a hard time counting 12 steps out accurately. If I knew there was like a very high chance I was going to get shot to the next 30 seconds. Yeah, yeah, I'd have to be like, well, you know, just you a one

[00:49:43] or two steps, slip my mind. There had to he was a reparctist dualism. Yeah, both of them. Jackson was the first person to, well, became the only US president that murdered a man in a duel to be elected. It's not murder. Now, yeah, I say kill a man in a duel.

[00:51:00] So it wasn't murder.

[00:51:01] You got to be careful, Luke.

[00:51:03] Yeah. somebody criminally with. Yeah, it does. And I don't know, it's, it is an interesting topic in and of itself, the history of doing the United States, be a cool episode. There's a big debate on that. Now you're going to tell me that the mayor may not wear pants. I bet button didn how many incidents are just accidental shootings of witnesses of a duel. That's a good question. What's going on? Then can you be charged if you shot somebody that wasn't in the duel? I bet. Like if your bullet went wide and hit someone, yeah, they went

[00:53:43] through the local market and hit somebody behind the counter. It crashed into a public thing. He was like, it was such an interesting story. So I mentioned it to you in a message on Facebook, but he, so Isaac Asimov, who wrote iRobot in like 400 other books, wrote a short story Okay. I see it now. Yep. I see it now. You're not lying. Yeah. So, uh, the plot of button button is this guy comes up with the ability to go back and time to get items from the past.

[00:56:22] And he needs money to fund it.

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