The Cheat Sheet: Plots and Pornography

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[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_00] Content warning, this episode contains discussion of murder as well as rape and sexual crimes. So today on the cheat sheet, you're kind of, you're going pretty far afield with Hawaii.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01] Hawaii, obviously Hawaii is a great and beautiful place.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_00] Wonderful people.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01] I'm not sure if it's so much the case in this particular case I'm going to be talking about a little bit later. They have a lot of state corruption there.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah, no, it's, it's like shockingly corrupt. I mean, like to a degree that you almost associate with like Chicago in the prohibition era. And that's kind of fascinating. I think there's been efforts though to clean it up though. I mean, like they're working on it.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01] But God bless them.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00] But there's some hiccups that we're going to talk about. Hawaii hiccups. Yeah, that you're going to talk about in terms of trying to clean that up.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01] So Hoosier will discuss Hawaii hiccups.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. That's right. You're doing alliteration fun.

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[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_00] Should we move on? My name is Anya Kane. I'm a journalist.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_01] And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney. And this is The Murder Sheet. We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases. We are The Murder Sheet.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00] And this is The Cheat Sheet. Plots and pornography.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_01] You know, Anya, we talk a lot on this program and also in our private lives about the value of local journalism. In a nutshell, why is local journalism important?

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_00] Local journalism fosters accountability within local leadership. And it lets people on the ground know about what's going on in their community in a way that the national media can't by definition. And frankly, the things that are happening in your community today are probably undercovered and probably going to have a more direct and immediate impact on your life than even a national story would. So, they're very important.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_00] Again, accountability, fostering transparency at a local level, getting people involved in their community and aware of what's going on. It's just highly important.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01] And a lot of times, sometimes the only local media you have is like one guy. Yep. And even if you have just one guy, you're lucky because that's more than other people.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_00] We got one guy. We love him.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01] There's the one guy that goes to government meetings and stuff. And if not for him, I would know almost nothing about what takes place in my hometown.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_00] And it's like one guy on a blog and he does a really good job, like very responsible reporting, very like down the middle. He's great. But it's certainly like without him, we wouldn't know anything.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01] We'd be fools. We'd be just wandering around in the dark.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_00] That's right. Then again, that's what we're normally doing.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01] So, yeah. So, he hasn't helped us at all. Maybe I should rethink my local journalism stance. No, no, no. So, people in Hawaii, they are very, very lucky because they have a very vibrant local journalism source. I'm thinking of the Honolulu Civil Beat. We've used their material before. I think we've talked to at least one or two writers from that organization.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01] They do a terrific job covering Hawaii. And I just wish every state had the moral equivalent of the Civil Beat because they're a tremendous organization. And if it's not clear, they're the source for this first story. Anyway, so this involves a woman named Sherry Tanaka. She and her uncle, Michael Irish.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_01] Michael Irish, I'm sure everybody's saying, Michael Irish, isn't that the king of kimchi? Yes, yes. He is the king of kimchi. That's what he is known as. When I told you that detail, you were delighted.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah, I was because, I mean, well, given what happens, it just all sounds like it's out of a fictional story.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01] So the allegation that gets all this rolling is Tanaka is charged with bribing a prosecutor. So she's going to go on trial for bribing the prosecutor. Okay.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01] So what happens next is the FBI gets some evidence that Ms. Tanaka is looking for a hitman. And she wants someone, according to this allegation, to get rid of the judge in the case, Judge Michael Seabright, and also get rid of assistant U.S. attorney Michael Wheat. She wants basically to have them killed.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_01] Why is that a bad thing, Anya?

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_00] Oh, my gosh. First of all, they're human beings, maybe with families, with lives, their own intrinsic human worth, and it's awful to plot to kill any human being. On the wider macro side, as a USA and as a judge, they both represent part of our justice system and part of the rule of law in our country.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00] And to have them killed in order to disrupt what's going on in, you know, like someone's criminal activity or, you know, kind of like to protect criminal activity is an attack on all of us. It's an attack on our system and it's unacceptable because it's using violence to subvert the wheels of justice.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01] So it's very, very important. So that makes it all the more confusing why nothing seemed to have happened about this particular angle.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_01] The information, the record seems to show that the investigation was proceeding, some evidence was being gathered, and then it just suddenly is no longer an active or ongoing concern. And it's not clear why it went away. And a local attorney who we've had on this program, hopefully we'll have him on again. He's quoted in this article as saying, quote,

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01] When a judge is threatened and a U.S. attorney is threatened, this isn't something that should just disappear into a black hole. That's Alexander Silver. And he is right because it goes to the integrity of the system as a whole. It should be taken extraordinarily seriously. Obviously, it's not clear, again, why this investigation fizzled.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01] I should note that when the bribery and corruption charges went to trial, by that time the judge in the case had recused himself. Because understandably, if you find out that someone is trying to kill you, there's a reasonable concern that, well, maybe you might have some strong feelings against them and maybe you're not the right judge for the case. So he recused himself. He got security. We got security.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_01] And they ended up not getting convicted on those charges. And they don't seem to be facing any charges for this assassination plot. And there's no real clear answer why.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01] You could say that, well, well, Kevin, the fact of the matter is we have to assume that if evidence existed and if the prosecution in this matter thought they could prove it in court, they certainly would pursue it and file charges. And the fact that they haven't means maybe they don't feel the evidence is strong enough. That's certainly a valid point.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_01] I think, though, that I would like to have some sort of public statement about this because of the seriousness of these charges. I would like to know exactly what is going on here.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_00] Like, did they clear it up and find that they were innocent of that and they weren't actually trying to have them killed? Was there just not enough evidence? I would want to know, too. And, yeah, I remember when we spoke to Mr. Silver, I'll link to that episode in our show notes, but he's been on the show twice and he's great.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_00] He wrote an excellent book called The Mailbox Conspiracy about how just like a little bit of due diligence in a case that he was a public defender on led to him uncovering essentially a conspiracy between the Honolulu chief of police and a local prosecutor to basically frame his client. And those two public officials went to prison over that. It's this kind of stuff that you kind of feel like is a defense attorney fever dream, you know, like the police and the prosecutor corrupt and I'm going to uncover it.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_00] But like he literally did. And that actually happened. So. I remember at some point when he spoke to us, I think he spoke very highly of Mr. Wheat, even though he's very much a he's a public defense guy. Would you say that, Kevin?

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_01] He's very much a public defense guy.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_00] But I feel like he was like he had respect for Wheat and what he was doing. I kind of described him as the guy who was brought in from the mainland to try to deal with some of these corruption issues and that he basically was brought in and then like never left because there was so much to do.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00] And. Yeah, I think I mean, again, this is not a criticism of Hawaii, but I mean, from what we've learned and from reading some of this, it seems like from it from a number of different angles and for a number of different potential reasons, Hawaii is afflicted with a level of public corruption that's almost cartoonish at times.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00] Like if this is true and it's like the kimchi queen and king are trying to murder an AUSA who's investigating them, that's like like slightly sub, you know, Batman Gotham. Like we're doing a theme villains now.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00] Like what like like but in all honesty, like we had Miski, who was a guy who was the pesticide pest control kingpin, who also was a gangster, who was disappearing people off the island, who was beating up accountants, I think, who was threatening to put a pesticide bomb in like a rival nightclub.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00] I mean, like this stuff is just like old school organized crime taking over and kind of like having an in with different public officials, like including possibly some of the people we just talked about with the police chief and the prosecutor. They're a married couple. They're too busy doing whatever they're doing and being corrupt of their own to really handle this.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01] Especially when you have corruption issues, I think it becomes even more important to lay out what you have or don't have and explain why something like this is not pursued. I would also be very curious to have some information about the investigation. Was the investigation as full and complete as it should have been?

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00] Did someone make a mistake that botched the investigation?

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. What happened? I do note that the attorney for Mike Irish, who I think you mentioned was the kimchi king, he said, well, guess what? A year ago, the government sent my client a letter saying they closed the investigation because the informant was wrong. And the reporters for the civil beat said, OK, can you give us a copy of that letter?

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01] And he said, no, I'm not going to do that. I'd feel better if I saw a copy of that letter. I'd feel really a lot better if there were some official statements clearing up what happened, because this is an extraordinarily serious allegation. And it goes to the integrity of the system. We don't want people in the justice system to be intimidated by threats of violence or have to face such things.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_00] I mean, he had to recuse himself over this. So it had an impact on the case.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_00] And so if it was for nothing, then who lied? Who lied and when and why did they lie? What was their motive?

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01] Exactly. You've crystallized my thoughts eloquently, as is your want.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_00] I mean, I'm not trying to single out Hawaii, too. I'm sure there's a lot of other places that are corrupt. Yeah. But honestly, maybe part of the reason we know about it in Hawaii is because the Honolulu civil beat is amazing. Yeah. You know, like I don't I don't feel like everywhere has that level of scrutiny and kind of important, incisive journalism. So that might be part of it. But I do think there are problems and I hope they get corrected and I hope they get rooted out because the people of Hawaii deserve nothing less, you know. So we go into Pennsylvania now.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01] Let's go to I think you told me it's the Keystone State. And you also mentioned that this is a rare case that does not involve kimchi.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00] Yes, this does not. And this is a suggestion from a patron. So appreciate the Patreon patrons for suggesting cases. This is a horrifying case. Just be warned. This is basically what seems to be the makings of a serial killer case or serial killers, I should say.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00] This involves Raymond Charles Horsch, who are known as R.C. Horsch, who was known as a pornographer or a pornographic filmmaker and a writer. And was associated with the 400 block of West Chew Avenue in Olney in Philadelphia. And had a number of prior convictions for drug manufacturing forgery. Sketchy guy. Sketchy guy.

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[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_00] So what happens... So in terms of... Horscht died in May of 2025 at the age of 82. So he's long gone. But let's talk about the chain of events that happened since then. So June 19, 2026, a United States park ranger stops at BMW near Market Street.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_00] And Eugene, the son, is found with guns, fake federal credentials, drugs. And that triggers a wider investigation. He's with a woman who gives over an identification card that belongs to a woman named Blair Tunzelli. We'll talk more about that later. But that lady who gave that ID was not Blair.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_00] So June 25, 2026, homicide detectives, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, special agents, bomb disposal squad. They go to Chu Avenue to this house associated with this family and they start investigating. Two days later, the Federal Bureau of Investigations evidence recovery team is kind of coming in to help with this.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_00] They also are digging into things like looking at the sewer line, you know, doing all these different warrants. They're sending things to a Chicago lab for analysis. They're getting in digital forensics because what they're finding in there is like hundreds of thousands of digital images, thousands of digital videos, writings and drawings, thousands of pages.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_00] And those things are not just spelling out a case that involves drugs or firearms. Those are spelling out a case for murder. And what we've learned since is that some of the basically a bunch of missing women appear in some of these materials. I mean, that is the most horrifying thing. Like, it's really bad guys in Philadelphia.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_00] So here are some women that may be associated with what happened in this house, whatever horrors happened into this house. And it sounds horrifying. You had a woman named Gabrielle Amarondo. She's been missing since 2012. Apparently it was 22 when she vanished. Apparently, reports indicate that she may have been in this home appearing deceased in some of these videos and images. No body has been found.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_00] So, but there may be traces of her in this video evidence. A woman named Amy McHale, who was previously married to R.C. Horsch. She, on June 13th, 2026, I'm sorry, 2016 rather, June 13th, 2016, she left her daughter a voicemail saying that she was at this Chu Avenue home. And that was the last time they heard from her. Never heard from her again. She's still missing. So that's another thing.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_00] You had Maribel Freises. And that was, she was last seen in February 2018. She was 27. And again, she appears to be in video and images showing her in the house, seemingly deceased. Nicole Fusaro went missing from Kensington, Pennsylvania in 2018. And again, possibly seen being murdered by R.C. Horsch on camera.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00] A snuff film, in other words. And then Blair Tunzelli, of course, we mentioned her at the top. Her identification is found with this other woman. That's not her. How'd they get her identification? So, yes. So, the Gabrielle, Maribel, and potentially Nicole are all seen in, like, the digital files, potentially.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00] And this appears to be a case of possible either R.C. Horsch being the main serial killer or possibly with the direct involvement of his son, Eugene. Father and son serial killers strangling and killing and torturing women for years, filming it as part of this, you know, pornographic thing that they're doing. And hoarding that for years. And now it's all coming out. So, a really disturbing and horrifying thing out of Pennsylvania.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00] It seems like with the number of years and the extent of their crimes, I'm sure police investigators will be looking at other missing persons cases from the general area to see if more people might fit in with what they're seeing. But, yeah, that's out of Pennsylvania. Very disturbing.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_01] That is a very disturbing and upsetting case.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_00] Yes.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_01] I wanted to talk a little bit about a case out of New Hampshire. And my source for this is in-depthnh.org. I think it's interesting to talk sometimes about the concept of reasonable doubt. And I keep on threatening sometimes to do an episode about reasonable doubt because I do think it is something that is not always well understood.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01] Because some people seem to think it is such a high standard that it is impossible to meet. This involves a man named Craig Cavill, who was charged and convicted of killing his ex-girlfriend, Holly Banks.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01] So, there is evidence that prior to the murder, he got into some sort of confrontation with her at a bar, Fagan's Pub. He's thrown out. Police are called. He texts her a couple hours later with a threat. He continues to talk to her.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01] He has somebody follow her home. He makes kind of a threatening comment to her saying, I was ready to do some really bad stuff tonight. When are you going to realize I'm not going to hurt you? And if it happened, I was just going to end myself. He's seen leaving an area around her apartment at about the time someone else arrives for a,

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01] what this article describes as a tryst. This is Keith LaBelle, who was also killed in this incident. So, more texts come out. A vehicle that looks like his vehicle is shown driving to this apartment at 1222 a.m. and then leaving again at 144 a.m.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01] So, there is certainly convincing evidence that he was in the vicinity at this time. He then goes to speak to a police officer, says, go to Banks' apartment, and they find her and Mr. LaBelle dead. And so, he's saying, well, this isn't enough evidence. Sure, I made these threats.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_01] I made these comments. There was this confrontation at the bar. And sure, I was in the area at the time. But can't we use our imaginations, Anya, to imagine a completely innocent set of circumstances that would explain why I was there after this confrontation at the bar

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_01] and why I would then have the information to go and report to the police that they should come and check that out? Can't we imagine some sort of crazy scenario where I did all those things and was still innocent? And the court said, quote, the defendant's alternative hypotheses do not reasonably explain his entire course of conduct that evening.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_01] And so, his conviction remains, is still stands. So, reasonable doubt does not mean you have some sort of videotape recording of everything that happened. And it's about the accumulation of details. Yeah.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01] And there's even more details I didn't mention, including the fact that before going to the apartment, he left his gun case on his kitchen table. After leaving her apartment, he sends a message to his mother saying he is sorry. And again, going to the apartment, going to the police station, rather, to say, come to the apartment. So, it's not an impossible standard to meet.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01] Just the fact that you could conceive some sort of crazy scenario that might explain some or all of these things, that's not necessarily enough. What are your comments, if any?

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah, it terrifies me, the amount of people who I think, you know, think that their own kind of fevered imaginations supplants basic facts and kind of say, well, that's reasonable doubt. It's not. It's unreasonable in most cases, you know. Like, we see this all the time with the conspiracy theorists. But I think this kind of stupid reasoning has kind of pervaded the mainstream.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_00] And, you know, if I can come up with any sort of nonsensical excuse for, you know, the evidence, then that means I must acquit. It's like, no. It has to be reasonable. You know, like, and I'm not saying this, but, like, it's if someone has no reason to be in a place and their DNA is found all over the place, for instance.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_00] You know, we could think, oh, well, maybe they slept walk into the house, touched a bunch of stuff, you know, somehow got blood and semen everywhere without meaning to. And whoops. Slept walk out, hitchhiked home. The hitchhiker got amnesia, so can't remember and can't be a witness and then fell back asleep. But they don't even know what happened. And they didn't murder. Someone else at just that time kind of broke in and murdered this person. Yeah. Could that happen? I guess so. Does it seem pretty unlikely? Yes.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_00] But people just, like, think of this stuff. And and like there's a difference between that and being like, oh, no, the DNA belonged to a guy who worked in the residence and was like the butler. So therefore, like his DNA would be everywhere and he'd have a reason to be there. And it's reason like, you know, like you got to just apply it to apply your common sense. Like, that's the best thing you could do on a jury. And it's common sense to say, yeah, if he's a butler and he works there.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_00] I don't know why I'm making him a butler, but he would, you know, maybe he'd touch stuff and it's not unusual that he'd be there. So it's not a big deal. And then you could say, oh, I'm going to quit him because he had a reason like the DNA alone enough doesn't prove anything. But if he's just, you know, a drifter has no connection to anything, then, yeah, it's a different situation. So I guess, yeah, I guess it scares me sometimes like that people kind of don't seem to. People almost like kind of like put their own like weird spin on stuff or like I think to make themselves feel smarter.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00] It's like, oh, yeah, well, I'll explain it all. And it's like you're not really explaining anything. You're just outlining a really unlikely scenario. It's got to be reasonable. And, you know, if it is reasonable, if there's two explanations and they're both reasonable and one acquits, then I think you have to acquit. You have to. Acquit then, you know, absolutely. I'm not saying no one should be acquitted. Absolutely.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_00] If there's two reasonable explanations, you know, then then you have an obligation to to acquit the accused. But a lot of these things are just not reasonable.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01] So I think speaking of things that aren't reasonable, you're going to take us home. Back to Indiana.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_00] Back home again in Indiana.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01] The new moon.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_00] Hey, the moonlight on the Wabash.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01] That's right. I'm sure there are other lyrics of that song.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_00] Through the Sycamore.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01] Through the Sycamore. The new moon.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_00] Hey, those are the three things we got.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah, for some reason, there's a song back home again in Indiana. And for reasons.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_00] I think it's just called Indiana.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01] OK. For reasons I don't understand. There's lots of things in this world, Anya. I don't I don't understand. This this may be the top of the list. This song is perfectly pleasant. Average little song became like a jazz standard.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_00] It's a great song.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_01] You hear like Louis Armstrong doing his trumpet. And there's like a really swinging version of it by K-Star. All right.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00] I don't want to hear any of you emailing me about that guy from Gomer Pyle singing it at the friggin 500. I don't like that version.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01] The Great Gym Neighbors. But I like Gomer Pyle.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_00] I don't like that version of the song.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_01] The K-Star version is really swinging.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_00] He has no swing. He's no.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_01] She's like, oh, the new moon. Hey. Yeah.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_00] Oh, my God. She's so good. I love that version of the song. Louis Armstrong kills it as usual. Well, I it I like the jazz version of the song, you know, because it's like it swings. The like. No one wants to hear that. What is it like in 1910? Absolutely not. We're doing jazz. We're making Indiana sound cooler than it is. That's what we're doing with the Indiana song. I will link to it in the show notes. But you have to go listen to the K-Star version in particular. It is so good.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_01] It is so good. It is so.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_00] You were selling it. I'm like, Kevin, you're like this. I'm sure it's going to be overblown. And then I listen to it. I'm like, yeah. And now sometimes I jokingly play it on my phone when we drive back to Indiana.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01] But anyways, there's no joke about it. You're very solemn about it.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00] So the ritual. So. One source for this is the ABA Journal. And another one is just the probable cause. This is buckle up for this one. I think you discovered it, but then you forgot about it. So then I picked it back up. So probable cause is from Lake County Detective Philip Kamisarsik. I'm sorry if I'm saying his name wrong. The second. And he's with the Lake County Sheriff's Office.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_00] And so he was investigating in January 16, January 16, 2026, an intimidation and harassment incident at the Lake County Superior Court and in Crown Point in Lake County, Indiana. And interviewed Officer Corey House and believes him to be credible. And said that on that day at 12.04 p.m., he went to the office.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00] He responded to the office of Judge Julie Cantrell of the Lake County Superior Court. She had gotten a threatening email. He spoke with her, interviewed her about this. And this email came in from a 12.55 a.m. From someone calling themselves Maverick Alexander Young.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_00] And basically says, I think I know who sent this because I was involved in his father's case where his father was charged with child molestation. And said, I think he's using like a different name from his actual name. And his father, Danny Culver, was convicted of child molestation in the 1990s. And it goes. So I will actually just read to you parts of the email.

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_00] It says, this is the special master overseeing the fraud that Julie Cantrell placed into my life as a teenager. You have met your match. You will order my name change. You will order this case reopened and you will dig up the four bodies I know the location of in Porter County. You will obey me. I have unlimited power now and I can issue anything I feel like against your state now. I want my supposed father removed from my birth certificate. I want it updated on vital records.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_00] And I want my name change to be confidential. Julie, you don't have a choice. You committed malfeasance in your duty. It's DPD in this case and you are fixing your mistakes. All of you and your fraudulent buddies are going to listen to the United States Supreme Court. Failure to do so will result in your immediate arrest for covering up four murders and failing to extract me from Hamilton County, Indiana. You will also argue on my behalf against all cases in the state of Indiana.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_00] Or I will make you famous by doing it myself and using your name in every single document. You waged war with the man who created Taylor Access Operations and you will obey my demands. And you will end your career on a good note. Or I will issue a warrant for all of your arrests and get the closure I want by forcing it. There's a reason they made me a special master. No one in their right mind would ever stand back and allow the harassment or abuse of a disabled person the way you did. Your appeals court judges have no power.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00] Your Supreme Court buddy Loretta Rush is not going to ever talk to me the way she did. And you are going to make that stupid bitch listen. You can call anyone you feel like. But you and all your corrupt buddies will be impeding a federal agent and conspiring against the United States. You will argue all the cases. You will get them all sealed. You will file all the paperwork. And you will get all cases dismissed that were ever presented against me. This is a direct order. And with the power I now have, I am not the guy to fuck with.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00] You will obey me. And your loser prosecutor will help fix all of this. I want my birth records fixed. I want a new social security number. And I want my parents blocked from all of my records. You will do this. And that stupid piece of shit prosecutor will help. I don't give a fuck about your feelings. I am giving you one last chance to do the right thing and stop covering up your malfeasance. This is your final warning. What's coming if you disobey me will be something you never thought possible. I have all the power now.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_00] I can issue orders, warrants, and force anyone to disclose whatever I feel like now. The reason they did this is because all of you thought you could inspire against me. I suggest you get on the damn phone. Tell Todd Rakuta you are fucked. And you are now facing off against the child you lied to and told me I would be protected. You have never protected me, but now you will. This is a direct order from the United States Supreme Court. You will solve it. You will solve this all. You will get those records sealed.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_00] You will get the fraudulent child support judgments dismissed. This is your final chance. Otherwise, myself and the U.S. Marshals will come arrest all of you for impeding a federal agent. Lying to a federal agent and conspiracy. I suggest you think long and hard about this as I will not be playing games with you any longer. I have all the records, including all that are sealed. I know you lied to the court and acted like I couldn't testify. I know that everybody in this case still works for you. I will reopen every case all of you have ever touched if you disobey me. What do you think about that?

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01] I was just thinking, first of all, wouldn't it be interesting if someone clipped that part of the episode and just made it sound like it was you?

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_00] I'm just, hi, Murder Sheet listeners. Anyways, go right into, oh, I should, I forgot my little thing. Yeah. There we go. Now you know I'm not talking anymore. I don't, yeah, I mean, obvious, probable, like some kind of mental illness, personality disorder, it sounds like.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah, that's what I might mean.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_00] I don't want to diagnose anybody, but like that's totally nuts. It's totally nuts. Like that's crazy.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01] It's crazy.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_00] He's basically threatening a judge. I mean, not, like, I guess it is threatening violence to be like we're going to come basically F you up and you have no choice. It's definitely like kind of, I don't, it's not like explicitly doing so, but it's kind of getting there and it's like threatening her to get her to do something. So she reported it to the police. Now more information has come out, according to the ABA Journal. I guess this guy, he's calling himself Maverick A. Young. His real name is Joshua M. Culver.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_00] There's in July, an indictment came down, you know, accusing him of impersonating an officer of the United States, forging the signature of a judge. So what judge do you think he forged the signature of?

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah, what judge? What judge would have the sort of power and prestige?

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_00] Well.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01] What judge would you pick?

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_00] This maverick of the law apparently forged the signature of United States Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts. Yeah. No one will ever know.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_01] No one will think to check this.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah. He was trying to get a case dismissed that's pending against him in Grant County, apparently. And yeah, so I read the first thing against him. And that's what he was charged with, threatening the Lake County, Indiana judge. Then he's got the Grant County. Now he's digging himself further. I mean, like, I think that this guy sounds like a really damaged person. And I guess on some level, I have some sympathy.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_00] If he was at all connected with or raised by a child molester, that is a pretty rough start to life. And I could see how that could perhaps unlock some really serious psychological issues. Obviously, he should not be going around creating mayhem and doing this. And this is why I say sometimes maybe the nicest thing for people is being in a mental asylum for a very long time if they can't handle life and they can't hack it.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_00] You know, that option's not really open anymore because we don't have those high-capacity mental asylums that give people a bed for an extended period of time, let alone a place to reside, perhaps permanently or semi-permanently. But we end up using our justice system as sort of like a cleanup situation for cases where people are really disturbed. And to me, if you're doing this and you have that background, you're probably just really disturbed.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_00] And that's kind of sad. So one can hope that maybe he'll get the treatment he needs at some point. But it's unlikely. And frankly, I don't think that putting up with antisocial and chaotic and threatening behavior from people who are disturbed is the kind or compassionate thing that we've been told it is. Like, I really feel like so many times it's like, well, they're mentally ill. So it's like, yeah, so we should get them help instead of just letting them run amok.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_00] Like, that's not nice to them or anyone else. That causes a lot of suffering. And frankly, like, just because they're mentally ill doesn't mean other innocent people should have to suffer for their mental illness. You know, if this guy escalates to doing actual, you know, violent harm to people, I mean, that sort of seems something that should be concerning. So sad situation all around. But kind of amusing that he was just like, I know, I'm going to use Chief.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_00] John Roberts is going to weigh in on this, this Indiana drama.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_01] Can you believe, Anya Cain, that it is now October already?

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_00] Wow. Because certainly that is when we are recording, Kevin. Yes. No, it's not. We're recording this weeks in advance.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01] But October, the year is just flowing by.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_00] Crisp, autumn, cool and leaves and swirling. I'm psyched for Halloween. I'm a big Halloween. I like Halloween. I like the vibes of fall.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_01] You like the little children coming to the door and giving them candy.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_00] I love that. I love, they're so cute, you know.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_01] We live in a neighborhood full of little children. This summer, it's like our neighborhood with like something out of an R-Gang comedy.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_00] Yeah, Hal Roach came by.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_01] From the 1930s because there was like kids with their little vehicles, kids. They have like little go-karts or something.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_00] Like little motorcycle things.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_01] There's like lemonade stands.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_00] They were like building a ramp at one point. I loved it. And I hate it when people like, I'm not trying to like start a drama in our neighborhood. But like, I hate it when people like, people will be like, oh, you know, oh, the kids are rampaging in the park. Good. I'm glad they're doing it. Like, get over it. Stop being a busybody. Put on your headphones and listen. I mean, if it's like 3 a.m., yeah.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_00] But like during the day, we should want them outside roughhousing and doing stuff and not like inside getting addicted to like porn. You know what I mean? Like, let them be kids. I hate when people are so grumpy about that. You know? It's like, what is this? The perfect neighbor? Like, let them have fun.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_01] And it's been interesting this year. We lost our dog, Lanny. She, God bless her, was older, didn't have a lot of energy. We didn't really walk her that much.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_00] We'd walk her, but pretty quickly, like a block or so down, she'd be like, yeah, I'm done.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_01] With the dogs we have now, they require, as they make clear, lots of walks. This year, we've gotten out into our neighborhood more and met a lot of more people. It's been great.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_00] Oh, I love it. Yeah, I love our neighborhood. It's really nice people. But yeah, I just, it is nice to see the kids out playing, I think. Because again, I think that's what they should be doing. I think that's healthy, you know? You know, like, I don't know. Good for them. Good for the kids. But I think that was all. I hope everyone's having a good start to their October.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_01] We have premiums. Speaking of playing and having fun, we have fun on our premium. Ad-free shows, extra shows, early shows, maybe a home-cooked dinner. That's still under discussion?

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_00] No. I'm not. I'm sorry, guys. I'm not. I'm just not doing that. Kevin just says outlandish things. And then, you know, then we have to end up doing them. And then he's like, oh, why did I say that? And I'm just not. I'm not. My cooking's not that good. Maybe if you want to cook for the patrons and the Apple subscribers, you can do that. And I'll be your, like, sous chef.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_01] Meaning that you're handling all the lawsuits.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_00] Yes.

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[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_00] Absolutely. Take care, everyone.

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