A Tale of Two Carolinas

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Yeah, the most downloaded one seems to be old George Washington. He seems to be uh, he's set the bar so far. He is the star of the the revers they're any surprised of that, really though that George Washington's the most downloaded one, not at all. No, I mean I hate Jack even called him the Alan Jackson of the revolution of War, which is yeah, I had actually a singer of simple song. It's not real political man, but yeah he is now though, Well damn it, guys, we are moving along here. The last episode we did a little bit of a deep dev like you just said, talking about the day and the life of the soldiers dry in the Revolutionary War, and are we kind of squeezing back into the timeline here or what do you have planned for today? So a couple episodes back during the fall of Boston, when the end of the siege with George Washington there, I did mention that the British were sending troops to the Carolinas. This is what happened when they did that. What they had planned in both North and South Carolina doesn't quite work out for them. So it's when they're kind of fleeing the kind of the siege of Boston. They're fleeing from Boston heading down south. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of them jumped ship and went down there. The start of it should probably be talking about what happened in North Carolina. This was in February seventeen seventy six, which I believe was just before the fall of Boston. Boston still under siege at this point, but Clinton and his men had left already and they were heading south to North Carolina, and then they end up in South Carolina. But originally their planet was to go to North Carolina, and their hope was that they could get a foothold there. Bad weather it made them have to hold up a few spots on the way down, and so they missed their timeline. But at the time, they were planning to be there a little bit early, and there was a Loyalist army in South Carolina on the border that was going to attack into North Carolina who helped establish this foothold, and so they were under the impression the British Army was going to be there to help them, and so they started marching on North Carolina. At the time, the North Carolina Militia was ran by a general named James Moore. He's actually only one of five generals from North Carolina during the entire war. I don't know how many generals were there during the war. I don't know how significant that number is A lot. Usually there would be like, you know, a couple dozen or more from one of the colonies because you had, like you know, you had your upper deer generals, then you had your brigadier general, stuff like that. He was one of five. So he was given command of the Continental Army that was raised in February fifteenth, and he was tasked with protecting North Carolina from any attacks. The loyalists in South Carolina were led by a general name Donald McDonald, which I thought really misread that at first, but no, that's really his name, Donald McDonald. Yeah, we got we got another character here on the scene. Donald McDonald was a Scottish highlander that lived in South Carolina, and everybody underneath him were also Scottish Highlanders. There was about eleven hundred men in his group. He could make that name up if you tried. No, I love that name. Actually, It's like, could you be more Scottish than Donald McDonald? Donald? I didn't Donald Scottish? Now I do. I'm not surprised about the mcpart, the donald part on top of the McDonald part. It is extra spicy. Yeah, this McDonald, I'm not intending to laugh every time I say it, but every time I say it, I'm thinking of McDonald's, you know, So I think we all were. I think we all were. You should have a sandwich there. I'm just gonna go ahead and throw that out there. It should should be like a specialty item. I don't know. They should rename the mcgrib Yeah, you know, yeah, donald McDonald's sandwich. That McDonald's issued a warning to James Moore in North Carolina town. You should surrender because you know the British are going to be joined in US and we're going to roll over you more. Did some calculations. He figured that he had time, so he delayed sending his response back, and at the same time, he sent men to go fortify along the creeks uh and the bridges where he figured they would be most likely to attack from. And then he simply said no. After he had gotten his men on the march. By the time it got to McDonald he he wasn't sure that they were fortifying, but he knew he needed to get across the bridges quickly before the North Carolina military could get there. Today is actually known as Moore Creek Bridge. I don't know what it was known at at the time, but it's named Donalds James Moore. Now, yeah, it's McDonald's McDonald's bridge. So anyway, McDonald did order a double time march to make it to that that bridge. He wanted to make it there. He said that again. We say that again. McDonald ordered a double time march to to make it there as fast as possible. Uh. The downside to this MacDonald could not rest himself. He was an older man, so he actually fell gravely ill during this march and he had to relinquish his command to his lieutenant, Colonel McLeod. They made it to the bridge and they noticed that it looked like there was a fortification built on the end of the other side of the bridge, and in fact Moore's men did make it there ahead of time. They built an earth fort at the end and then they kind of stepped back into the woods, so they looked like it was completely abandoned. You said, this is an earth earth fort So what is that exactly? They made it out of. They dig up the earth and they make up a rampart out of earth. Okay, yeah, so they had the earth and works fortress that they had built up inside of it. They also put to cannons facing down towards the bridge, so it was a pretty fortified location, but they made it look like no one was there. So when the Scottish soldiers got there, what they decided to do was to start sneaking up see if they can see anyone, and a secret Continental Army sentry could see them and he fired his gun in air to let everyone else know that the Highlanders had got there. So they entered into a firefight across the river at first, and they're thinking, well, maybe we could try to take them out, but when that wasn't working, Lieutenant MacLeod declared that they should charge across the bridge before the soldiers get to that earthworks and defend it. This was a thing that the Highlanders were known for was their Highland charge, where they would charge with their broadswords and you know, scream and try to get everyone brave heart style. Yeah, exactly, the brave part style. This was the last time in recorded history that there was ever a Highland charge because it did not play out as well as they like. As they charged, they were screaming in Gaelic. They said for King George and broad swords, and once they got within thirty paces of the earthworks, all of the people that Moore had sent down there unloaded on them. They fired the cannons with a grape shot. They fired. So they're just running at them. They're just charging them with swords and they're just shooting. Is that you're telling me right now? Yeah, they charged them with swords and they shot. There was roughly eight hundred guys there when they were firing. There were about one hundred or so Highlanders on the bridge. Fifty of them died immediately, and then immediately everyone else just gave up as surrendered. I'm not laughing because it's funny. I'm laughing because the strategy seems to be ridiculous. It was. I guess that's why they haven't done the Brave Heart charge anymore. They were very proud. They thought that it could break the line, thought it would be a little more intimidating than what it was. Yeah, they could not make it, and so a total of eight hundred and fifty people end up surrendering afterwards, and after that moment, North Carolina was not attacked again for the next three years during the war. I will say it's kind of like another moment of you know, just like a completely different style of war taking place. It was like it was just a series of these types of clashes of like old ways of doing battle, and then either way the colony armies were going to do battle, and it was just it just did not work out like the modern you know, it it's not exactly the birth of modern warfare necessarily, but it's like it's a huge shift on the way fighting is done. And you know the fact that we have a an army or you know, a force charging with swords in the Revolutionary War, it's just kind of just wild to think of all the different military strategies that were just not just not up to date. They did fight, So why were they siding with the British. They were part of the British Empire, you know that it was a very it was a loyalist squadron of people who still saw themselves as British subjects. They had they were in the colonies, but they were still believed they're Scottish. They still served the crown. So like this was a very much a thing that they were doing at the time, is they would find people who were loyal to the Crown and then they would make basically local militias themselves to help fight. These guys were very proud British inisons, uh, and they were prepared to fight. Unfortunately, their method of attack was wild out of date, like Jack had said, and it just did not the way they wanted. And without the British support that was still delayed getting down there, there was no hope I'm breaking into North Carolina. It was a pretty interesting thing though that for years and years, you know, the Highland charge was a very deadly thing, could break any line. And then times changed, and now the last one is one of the most hilariously bad military blunders. He charged the people with guns and to can and cannons. Yeah, geez. One single Patriot soldier was killed during this fight what during the initial firefight across the river. His name was John Brown. No, I couldn't find his name. I did look to see if it was something interesting like that, but I couldn't thought John Brown to make then yeah, there was So is there more to McDonald's story. There was just in here. Uh. No. He died not terribly long afterwards because he was fairly old. But there is a little bit more. Well, tragicness in uh more James Moore of the North Carolina like, how you did that? More tragedy more so, he was thirty nine years old at the time when he became a general and at this the point, and he died the very next year from sickness. And he didn't get a chance to lead another fight because this was the last time in North Carolina was attacked. But he was believed to be probably their best general because he came up with these you know, the tactic of getting down there, delaying the British response when and everything like that. So there, yeah, there. No one knows how well he would have done later, but it would have been interesting to find out. But unfortunately, yeah, he did die. I can tell you real emotional about it. I've got like this real bad, like allergic reaction to something I don't know. It's been causing me to have coffin all the time. Yeah, so I would say too, there's no emotional about this mortgage. A little tear in the That was the deal with North Carolina at the time. And now, okay, as I mentioned, South Carolina also had Simon almost simultaneously. It was just a couple months later they had their own battle. That went poorly for the British General Henry Clinton. Finally he made it to North Carolina in May, realized that there was gonna be no chance for him to launch an attack because he lost his loyalist army and it was no momentum, so he sailed further to South Carolina. So they're sailing down the coastline. So his plan was to attack Charlestown in South Carolina and take it in one like fell swoop. This goes poorly, So the colonel Willet and mild Tree commanded a fort that he was having built outside of Charlestown on this island called I was called Island of Palms now I think it's called Long Island. At the time, it was near another island, a Solivon Island. So all these islands are kind of funneling towards Charlestown and you had to go through the strait to get there. So they built this fort and it was made out of a type of wood called palmatow, and it has kind of a spongy nature to it. It's act. It's actually called like swamp cabbage tree. That's a that's a wild palm tree. That's kind of like gross looking gross cabbage on it. Oh boy, well you know what I got? Yeah, look at what the sure pal meadow. Uh you can hear the clicking is. It's very overwhelming. The keyboard, very loud, fansty keyboards that have these claes their therapeutic when you're using them, but not so much when you're listening to them. Mechanical like one of them bold yeah. Yeah. So the British attempted to attack, and they thought a land invasion by like amphibious assault would work out best. The problem is the area they thought they could just like wade up to through the water was way too deep. It was like neck deep water when they started trying to jump out of the ships to go up to the fort. So they were moving very quick when they got out. No, they were being shot pretty badly by the people on this fort. The sport is also only about half built, but it was still enough to like offer a little bit of protection. A lot of British soldiers got killed, like a hundred of them got killed in this initial attack, like I said, didn't go too well. So they decided they were going to try to bombard the fort. The problem was the construction of that fort being made of that wood, made it so that it was kind of resilient to shell fragments from their cannons. And on top of that, the soil is very sandy and wasn't actually the rocks or anything cob shrap normal or anything to hurt the other soldiers, so their bombardment was almost completely without effect. It didn't kill anyone. So from the fort though, they were able to bombard the British ships. Maltree had installed three coastal cannons and they were able to shoot and hit their ships. He was able to actually destroy one of their frigates heavily damaged four others. At this point there was over two hundred twenty British and only twelve Patriots sold. This all happened in one single day of battle as well. It was quite the loss for the British to lose that ship and all those guys. Why the world is going on with the British like this is just crazy. It's a strange decision, right, This was a terrible attack plan to jump all those guys into that deep water and then afterwards you're clearly getting bombarded. Why not pull back? They didn't and they lost a lot because of it. Well, I also think that this kind of plays into the fact that the British were so far removed from the colonies and in the like the structure of the British soldier structure, because they didn't realize. Maybe that's why I'm going to assume they didn't realize that the terrain was so vastly different than what's something that would that they were prepared for or something. Ose is that a fact the greatest military world. They seem to just have a very bad planning in execution. Yeah, I suppose so. And then there was you know, obviously the people with colonies were completely used to this. We started to cut you off with. They have scouts and stuff everywhere, and you think they'd be able to get wetter information, right, they benefitly should have some information. I guess they just didn't take it seriously. Well, I should point out that, you know, Boston held out for so long against the Patriot Army while Thomas Gage was in charge, but after he was removed, it was merely a couple of months before Boston fell, and so Thomas Gage was like the lynchpin in their initial combat success. He was a really good commander. But then Clinton and Howe took over and they were a little bit more, oh I say, boisterous, but not great commanders. So they like pretended that they were great fighters and great commanders, but they had a horrible time actually leading. This, you know, is another this is a big blunder by Clinton, you know, And so it kind of shows that they had some great leaders. But then they had a lot of people who were there because they had connections and that was a big deal then, like if you had enough money, you could become general. And so some of these landowners that had no idea how to fight, we're now in charge. Wow. Yeah, that definitely doesn't make a good uh general because you have money. No, Yeah, And it wasn't like they didn't have a lot of free they had besides the you know, I mentioned they had four frigates that were damaged one destroyed, But on top of that, they still had three or four other ships all in this fight, and they had roughly I think it was something like four thousand soldiers. This is a large force that they were sending in the South Carolina fort there wasn't complete and they got beat and it's such a tremendous demoralizing blow for the British. At this point, They've lost Boston, they lost in North Carolina, and now this South Carolina fight. This is a one two three punch against them. And we are in June of seventeen seventy six, late June seventeen seventy sixth we are days away from the you know, the Declaration of Independence. You got to put yourself in their shoes at this point. Now they ask how do we win this? You know, this is a rough situation where, you know, in their mindset at this point, they're trying to figure out who's to blame. And so because of that, George Clint's the most important part it is to them at this point. Anyway, George Clinton and the admiral of those ships, his name is Parker. I forgot to mention him. Anyway, they got into a fight at this point and started blaming each other publicly. They were much like you know ben Atgarnold wrote all those letters, you know, slamming what's his name, and Eithan Allen Ethan Allen, and he was writing letters about him, slamming him. Same thing was happening here. Clinton and Parker went to war with each other with you know, slam pieces, seams are falling apart, they're fighting each other. Now. The Crown didn't take a side between those two. But of the two, they only publicly commended Parker for his deeds during the fight. Obviously they kind of it was like a left handed attack against Clinton, saying, you know, you didn't even get commended on this. I wonder, I do wonder if that was because he was, you know, the general, and so they wanted to maybe maybe give a little bit more blind to him as opposed to the admiral. Yeah, I think so, because for one thing, they really needed their navy to be happy, because the navy was the only thing keeping him in the fight at this point, because they've lost a lot of guys, a lot of guys have been captured. They were reinforcements for on the way, but it would be some time. So at this point, Clinton and Parker pulled the remainder of their force and they took them. They're going back north, all the way up to New York. They're completely abandoning the South. They're giving up on that fight because they got beat so badly. And South Carolina also will not be attacked for three more years. Both Carolinas beat the British so badly that they never see fights again till nineteen or seventeen eighty. There we want to just pack up and leave, which half of the battle is probably traveling and have war. I mean, especially then you have to Now you have to float back up. You supply this army that's on this boat. You gotta try to not get sick or die from grand travel. Hope there's no bad weather, and then hopefully you can reunite with somebody up north, because you know, anything can happen in New York in this time that they don't know about. I also want to point out that even though I can't, I couldn't find anything specifically with r OL Buddy Whipple to say he harassed specifically specifically these frigates. The frigates were often getting harassed by different colony navy, so you know, so you know, there was also they had to deal with that. Who knows how many shots they had to fire before they even got to South Carolina, other ships like that. I did assume when I heard a ship was being blown up, that did cross my mind. So that fort that they were building there eventually got finished later on, and it was actually named after Maltree, the guy who commanded it drying that fight. So it's kind of actor McDonald's no, no, McDonald's unforse Isn't it funny? Though? The were not funny. But it's interesting that these two fights, two instrum mental fights, both end up getting something named after the commanding army afterwards. And you know, so like Moore got More's Creek and then Maltree got Fort Moultrie. I think McDonald's the one. In the end, though, we could all say McDonald's did when Yeah, you're talking land control, Yeah, by a lot, so he died. Uh, please tell me somehow that has to do the name of McDonald's. We can just unofficially say that just called. Yeah, I guess we could say that. I mean, why not? Do you have a visual on this guy jacket? He looked like he, uh would be the creator McDonald's. I could not actually find donald McDonald's a picture of him. It seems like a pretty rare name they would be. I tried to find him and I couldn't, but I you know, maybe a jack could find him. Oh. Fort Moultrie later becomes uh, Fort Sumter later in life, and that is the yeah, where the America's Civil War starts later. So it's kind of interesting that that is still involved with wars, you know, so much later on. I thought that was interesting too, So like this half finished fort ends up becoming a vital piece of American history later and one hundred years later, you know, it's kind of neat. Seventeen eighty is when South Carolina gets under attack again, and it will be by Clinton. He comes back trying to take and to believe he successfully takes Charles Town later but so like he gets his gets his chance to get revenge. Now he's high tailing up to New York, hoping to turn the tide up there with some new reinforcements. At this point, it is days away from the signing of the Declaration of Independence and everything is moving on in this world. The Revolution is officially underway. The Continental Army is winning victories. Like it's not just like Bunker Hill, which they proved they could fight. These are actual victories. They have won, full battles, taking people, capture destroyed ships. It is a kind of a rough point for the British Army. They do come back hard. They straight back hard. But right now it's kind of like, well, what we do. We got to get men, and that's when they start hiring the German mercenaries. They get start getting shipped in hard at this point to help fight this whole battle. Actually a slight aside on the German mercenaries. They were called the Hessians because they're from Hessia, and I don't know if you the story of the Headless Horseman was originally called the Headless Hessian because he was a Hessian mercenary guys had cut off during the Revolutionary War. So I was not aware of that. Yeah, so that slight aside because I thought of it when I mentioned it just now. But yeah, it's that's that the German mercenaries are coming. One of them, I guess, is technically the Headless Horseman, which com fitting for Halloween. Yeah, I was gonna say it was gonna fit fit, which is what Luke was trying to do. Totally. Oh, yeah, totally, I was. I was totally thinking about the fact that this almost Halloween and he knew this was going to come out on the day before Halloween, and that was all going to tie together at the job exactly So is it is this question time? What do you got Jack, I've got questions. I've got questions. You go ahead, Jack, I might have answers. Oh yes, Uh. My question was if it was about the earthen works or the and for it, what how exactly did they go about building something like that, Like is it like propped up with like like wood fortifications. Is it just kind of like mounted up? Is it? They would dig up a bunch of earth, you know, with their various tools like shovels and digging and iron to ring up. Makes sense. Yeah, So they would bust up the earth and then they would mount it up, and they would actually use some boards and like crossbars, kind of like World War One trenches. It was kind of like that, only there was no They weren't digging down. They were digging up the earth, you know, they were mounting it up, and then they would put those boards behind it to hold it in place, and then they would could put cutouts where you could put your rifle through, and then also the cannon barrels, so they would cut out a little dibot into the earth and then you could lay and shoot. Some of them were mounted up so high you had to climb up onto it and then lay and shoot. But some of them were lower down, like you know, two or three feet off the ground, all of which were more effective than being in water up to your neck or charging across a bridge with no cover. Yes, it's insane. Yeah, I don't know. I got first I thought, oh, that's cool, the last Highland charges in the Revolutionary War. And then you read what happened. It's like, well, that was a bad idea, that was real good. Yeah, it's just like signing yourself up to get I mean they just signed them all up to die basically. And you know these guys they were technically like a militia themselves, so they weren't actually fully trained soldiers. So except for like the lieutenants in general. So like the lieutenant whose idea it was really got those people killed. Oh actually he died on that bridge. I forgot to bring this up. McLeod died on that bridge and they counted he was shot by twenty four musketballs. Wow. Yeah, so he got war, was in the very front. He got annihilated. Whoa, I mean it's twenty four different people aimed at him. Yeah, because you go with fire at one time, and that it was one volley too, that's how they fired. And that's crazy. Is that even possible them? Yeah, he must have just been a very big target or something. Yeah, something made him stand out. So so Donald McDonald. See, he's been like he was part of like the their military since from like seventeen forty six. He's like known for other battles. So I'm just kind of surprised by the you know, the decision process. I mean, he was like, you know, he had given the control to McLeod, but the same thing. You would think there was some kind of discussion between the two of them and what to do. He was apparently very sick. I think he couldn't even leave his tent, so I don't think he had any ability to actually command at that point. So he had been in it for a while, that's what you're saying. Yes, I was also able to find a painting. It is honestly very similar to you know, obviously they had a style of painting, you know, where they cant of painted a lot of people very similar looking. But if I were like just look at it, I don't know that I could could be like, oh that's one percent. Definitely not George Washington. It's just kind of like a very similar portrait style. I guess I could say, you gotta say he looks like Ronald McDonald. That would have been not so be like wow, yeah, no, wonder Speaking of George Washington, what was he doing well? So a couple of questions I have. One of them is what what's George Washington doing right now? So during the fight in North Carolina, he was still sieging Boston, but the South Carolina fight he was still putting together everything. After the siege to Boston, so like, you know, the men were resting, they were preparing, and so he was in Boston that this point and just like trying to figure out what to do next. And it was you know, after you take that, what do you do? You got this thing by the tail now and now you don't know what to do. So he was still very much sorting out Boston at this point and getting everything running smoothly. Do we know what he thought about this that he just like, is it like Washington nods, like humber nods, just Washington nods about this thing. I do believe it would have reached him at some point, But he was also preparing to go to the Continental Congress for the you know, when they were preparing to do the declaration, So it was it would have been like on his mind, but it wouldn't. It wasn't like, you know, it was good to happen, but he wouldn't have thought like, oh wow, this is something we didn't all be talking about. It was just like, oh wow, they made a huge mistake, and it was great for us because now we no longer have to worry about the Carolinas. And that was definitely on his mind when they first left Boston for the Carolinas. It was like, well, okay, now we got to prepare for them to be marching on our rear after they take those colonies, because it was actually pretty well believed that they were going to take those colonies, and the fact that they got been so badly by some seriously horrible mistakes that it was like a relief over on everyone. It's like, now I no longer have to worry about that. Now it's gonna worry about New York. You gotta imagine the three victories and kind of pretty pretty quick succession as far as like timeline goes. And then shortly after this the Declaration that they had to really ease the minds of people signing it right at that moment where we're just getting like a lot of news of victories right now. So you know, obviously there was a lot to be said about the signing of decoration. But it's just like kind of like perfect timing, right we think about it, like when the declaration signings start to go off and all of a sudden you're kind of surrounded by these these pretty big victories. It's a good point because if you would have got one in there and got smoked, could have been a different feeling in the room or just in general, I guess fill in the rooms the saying. But speaking of feeling in the room, what, let's go, how are the hierarchy of the British and all? What were they thinking back in back at home at their home. So even Britain, they wouldn't hear about these losses for a little bit, right This news would reach them, but they wouldn't have much time to dwell on this though, because then within a week later they would also get the news that the declaration was signed. So it's it's interesting that these were two really big fights, like you know, for everyone involved, but it would be overshadowed by the event of the next week. So yes, they when they first did hear about this a couple of months later, they were like, oh my god, what we do now? You know, this is you know, horrible. That's why they ended up commending Parker and sort of throwing some shade on Clinton for you know, his failure there by not giving a public commendation. But they didn't have enough time to actually dwell on it because of what would happen. So it's kind of an odd sense of like, yes, this was important, but not nearly as important as it would happened next. But you know the here at home, they're feeling great though, oh got much so yeah, there, all of the Carolinas, for one, I worked just absolutely a static that they had repelled the British so soundly that they wouldn't have to deal with them anymore. And then they were preparing to send men up north to help, and so like they were like, all right, we have time to send soldiers, we have time to build our fortifications. It was a great time for them. This was what be overshadowered later when they eventually do go through some hardships. But for this, for this moment, this was happiness for them. They were able to repel the British and prove that they could beat anyone. We talked about George Washington's recreating efforts. You certainly think this word of these kind of things would certainly help, cause it absolutely did. Actually, recruitments did go up after this. This was a tremendous boon for the Colono Army. This was a you know, two hot you know, high profile victories, and with fall Boston, three victories they were able to, you know, tell people, this is this is not going to go away. We're not going to fail. For at least the moment they could say demonstratedly prove that they could beat the British. I don't think I have any more questions. Check what you have. I just have pictures of swamp cabbage trees and Donal McDonald everything we've been waiting for. So what are these trees look like? Talk to us about these trees while they just dripping of cabbage in a swamp. So that's what I was hoping to see. If that's not what I see, the description of them being like palm trees, but gross is actually probably the best way to describe them, it's like it's like a really thick palm tree with way way too many limbs coming up from all directions, from the base all the way to the top. It almost looks like a something on an alien planet, and it makes me uncomfortable to look at it. This is something that you'd wish to have in your landscaping. We should definitely make sure we share these pictures on the social media as well as the picture of Donald McDonald so I could see him, because I gotta be a connection here to McDonald's. I'm damn sure of it should be for sure. Well, there's one picture. There's one picture that maybe he was maybe this is drawn after he had a little bit too much McDonald's. There's two different portraits and I don't know that one he has pants, on one he doesn't. Yeah, controversial topic. How long somebody that guy I didn't even have pants and he was sick and oh McDonald's I'm sure he meant well, actually, I'm not even sure about that. McDonald may have McLeod did not. McLoud was very dumb. Yeah, oh man, So I think for me, it's also this the highlander charge, right, is that is called yeah Highlander charge they were. They were like the movie Highlander where they were like indestructible. Yeah, or they would share like Brave Heart. I just wanted to make sure I mentioned mel Gibson in every episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's on both sides. Guys. He's got his little hands all over American history. He does. He always figured that a way to be relevant. You know, one day we'll work our way clear up to you know, like aliens and signs like that. Yes, we'll make it up to mad Max years. And if we make our way away to Roswell stories, then then then we'll definitely have signs. I'll go dock it just just to watch along with signs. Yeah, that would be awesome. That'd be an awesome Halloween for next year before we get that far to watch along. I haven't watched that movie in so long. I still I still remember. I think what I remember just as much as scary movie spin on it. Oh yeah, with the sheriff with the hat that keeps getting get Charlie Sheen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the other yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Wow, jaw Rule was in that and everybody what a great movie. Well, I'll start to segue here, get us out of here. Jack. So, yeah, we've got a bunch of episodes up and we're falling in a timeline here, So go to America Stories dot us. Man, that just sounds so damn good. Make sure you get caught up on everything. Sounds like we've kind of set the stage for and I can maybe guess what the next episode is. Oh yeah, it's pretty obvious you already, you've already started. I'm sure you're getting excited. That's gonna be a that's gonna be another fun one. Yeah it is. I'm gonna go in some detailed to each most of the major signers and everything. I think that's good, a good one, And we're going to cover what they were wearing during this. Actually I don't have any access on They might have had pants, they might not. Yeah, we do all know. But what we do know is that you are listening out there and let us know what you think. Make sure you're contacting us and all that great stuff the Jack is about to cover. Yes on Twitter, you can contact us at America story Pod or you can email us at America stories Pod at gmail dot com. And one day we're going to get on some other social media things and stuff too. We're sure of it. You can also contact us off our website. I know there's some contact forms on there, so Americastories dot us Luca waiting for you to just say something really life changing here. I don't have anything life changing this time, just that I was just kind of flabber gasted by how bad of an idea the Highlight charge was. I couldn't come up with something that was like inspirational about it, and like, these were two crushing victories. It was a very brave charge. It was a brave charge. But for for the the US Army or yeah, the continent Army, these were crushing victories. They were not even close. They didn't have to worry about it. So yeah, I couldn't come with something inspirational on this one. Yeah. I don't think I have anything either. I just stuck on them. McDonald's kay. Yeah, ready to see these pantings, that's for sure. I'm sure they're world class bannings. I think every thing we should discuss, you should have to put a painting up in your room. Check that would be oh yeah, just hang it up back to every high me. Like everything that we've ever discussed just has to go up on your wallet. Everything we discussed in detail to get some mini posters printed of them, Ethan Allen, Benedicte, g Arnold, all these different characters, George Washington, we should we should photoshop them all to not have pants, might not? I don't know, well Whipple of course, who looked like the watching McCall it icon flaker out Whipple, that crazy pyromaniac. Anyway, until next episode, don't don't express your inner Whipple. Just keep it civil, No no charging anything, Just keep being yourselves and keep being great. Got the kind of fix everybody knows. Run around there and you like him and you do that's wrong. People find it inside of the miss us. Take care one day, roll eisode to them. Some of us do this weekend, some of us Doe Jeff Townsend, Media saved you good night. And the question is do I stay here? Will you be back? Are you going to come back? Will you be back? Are you coming back