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[00:01:51] a range of different cases. We're going to start out in Tennessee in a case where unfortunately, a YouTuber is running amok and causing real harm to real people. We're going to go to Pennsylvania

[00:02:03] where an awful case just happened with a very young child perpetrator. We're going to be in Chicago, Illinois, where some witnesses have been threatened as part of an ongoing case. And we're also going to hit another ongoing case in Los Angeles, California involving a television

[00:02:21] actor. My name is Anya Kane. I'm a journalist. And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney. And this is the Murder Sheet. We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases. We're the Murder Sheet. And this is the cheat sheet,

[00:02:40] sleepovers and soaps. Well, you know, Anya, obviously one great thing about the age of new media is that it makes it possible in an easier way for us all to communicate with each other.

[00:03:37] It's made it possible for us to have this podcast. Yes. But I mean, listen, I used to be very, very, very optimistic about things like this and citizen journalism and all that. And I'm just going to confess, I no longer am optimistic about such topics.

[00:03:57] Yeah. And that may be because at least partially because of some of the stuff we've seen happen in the Delphi case. But of course, there are other cases out there that are also having issues. And today I want to talk about one in particular.

[00:04:15] I got this from News Nation Now as well as WKRN. The case, the criminal case, or I misspeak. It's not even a criminal case. It's not even a criminal case. The case involves a 50-year-old

[00:04:29] boy with autism named Sebastian Rogers. And he went missing back on February 26th of this year. And the absolute first thing we should note and stress is that the sheriff's office indicated that while they're not ruling anything out, they have no evidence of foul play in this disappearance.

[00:04:56] Despite that, some people have jumped to the conclusion that not only is Sebastian's family responsible, but they did something bad to the child, particularly his mother, Katie Proudfoot. And no matter what you think about the circumstances of that case, it obviously is not up to web

[00:05:27] sleuths or YouTubers to make such determinations. And Miss Proudfoot filed an order for protection in court next week against a YouTuber who goes by the name of Bullhorn Betty. And according to Miss Proudfoot, Bullhorn Betty is going around inciting people to

[00:05:54] stalk the Proudfoot family. She's accused the Proudfoot family of harming their son. She's done things like posting live videos while driving by the family home. And she is encouraging other people to harass the family. And keep in mind, this is a family dealing with the

[00:06:15] disappearance of their child. And there is, according to the police who are investigating the case, and no far more about it than you or I, there is no evidence of foul play. Just this

[00:06:27] person has taken it upon herself not only to come to that conclusion, but to act upon it. And the first thing I want to say is unless you've been in the sort of situation where you have

[00:06:41] received this sort of attention from online wackos, I don't think you can fully appreciate how awful it is. Yes, especially when, again, on top of that you are dealing with the disappearance of your child. And just for Bullhorn Betty, I'm not going to use her stupid YouTube name.

[00:07:01] Let's call her her actual name, Andra Griffin. So Griffin has taken it upon herself to be essentially judge, jury, and executioner here in terms of determining that these people must have done something wrong. I'm speaking hypothetically here, but hypothetically let's just say that

[00:07:19] there was a case where somebody may have done something wrong. How does going on YouTube and screaming about that do anything to help with the situation? The only way in our system that we can get justice is through trial, through court, not through vigilante YouTubing

[00:07:36] and all this other nonsense. And it's not lost on me that these people can make not a lot of money, frankly, but at least a little bit of money and certainly get a lot more attention than

[00:07:47] they're perhaps used to in their daily lives where they're presumably nobodies. It fills an emotional need essentially for people who are doing this. And what can we do as a true crime community? I think you have to essentially report and move on and not give these people attention

[00:08:07] because as we can see here, this is a situation where this is just totally unacceptable. This should not be happening under any circumstances. Griffin should be absolutely ashamed of herself. Essentially, she has a statement in one of these articles just saying, well, I'm just

[00:08:22] leaning out the window, nothing illegal about that. It's like, yeah, okay. I mean, what is wrong with you? I mean, truly what is wrong with you? It can be terrifying when you're in that

[00:08:30] sort of situation. Yeah, because you don't know what these... If you're on the receiving end of that. Because these people are frankly completely unhinged and you have no idea what they're going

[00:08:39] to do. And not only that, but you have no idea what their audience is going to do to you. Yes, because if Bullhorn Betty or whatever her name is, if she's going around telling people

[00:08:50] you did something as awful as do harm to your own child, who knows who is in the audience listening to that and believing it and willing to act upon it and do you harm? Especially if

[00:09:03] they see Bullhorn Betty going around and confronting you and driving in front of your house and stuff. It's just, it's awful. And again, it adds nothing. This is not an investigative journalist revisiting an open case and putting together a carefully compiled,

[00:09:18] carefully researched thing where they're interviewing the sheriff's department and getting the sense, well, maybe there was some evidence. But this is just complete speculation. It's totally pointless. It's a waste of everybody's time. And yet it's having real

[00:09:31] impact on people. And these people who do this, the Griffins of the world, they do not have the humility or the respect for the process or the thoughtfulness to sit down for a moment and say, I don't know everything. Maybe my assumption is incorrect. They have nothing

[00:09:53] like that. They don't have sources. They don't have people who are actually in a position to know anything. They're just saying whatever. They're just running their mouths. And you

[00:10:01] know what? If you want to run your mouth about like a TV show or like, you know, a movie or a sports team, go ahead. If you want to harass a family in this situation, in this nightmare

[00:10:13] situation, in a way that makes nothing better and just makes everything considerably more toxic, then I mean, just stop. I mean, there's no reason to do that. And if you're watching someone do that, stop watching them. It's not all you're doing is essentially feeding the sharks. They're

[00:10:30] going to keep coming back, you know? And watching her or doing what she does that does not do anything whatsoever to aid in the cause of helping Sebastian. All it does is aid in the cause of

[00:10:48] getting Miss Bullhorn, Betty Griffin a few more cents from YouTube. And it really is just a few cents. It's not much. These people are not, in my view, people often talk about, oh, these people

[00:10:57] are motivated by money. You're not making a lot of money with the YouTubes beyond like the people with the huge YouTube presence. You're not making a lot of money. What you are doing is you're

[00:11:09] getting dopamine hits in your brain because you see all these engaged people talking with you. And maybe it's only 30 people, maybe it's only 100 people, maybe it's in the low thousands. But

[00:11:19] that is something that a lot of people, once they get that once, they are chasing that for the rest of their days. It's very exciting. And then they, you know, they've got to up the ante to keep people

[00:11:31] happy. And it's just it's a disaster. And so when we complain incessantly about how true crime can spill over into real life cases in a really negative way, this is exactly what we're talking

[00:11:43] about. And what's concerning here is that this is certainly a case that has gotten attention, a good amount of attention, but it's not even like a high profile trial at this point. It's not even

[00:11:54] clear that a criminal act happened. And yet here we are with the same harassment, the same self aggrandizing nonsense from people with a small but unfortunately very vocal platform. And this is why we talk about these issues, because this is just going to continue to happen

[00:12:14] until we essentially excise the people who are doing it from our communities. And until frankly, let's also not let YouTube off the hook here. YouTube is promoting and seemingly okay with all

[00:12:28] of this. This doesn't seem to bother YouTube that she is doing this to this family. And YouTube very much has a financial interest to not get involved in moderating content because they just don't. Because once you get involved in moderating content, where do you stop? There's all sorts

[00:12:49] of interesting questions there from a legal point of view. I don't feel bad for them. They're a multinational, this is a massive company. They're making insane amounts of money from the work of

[00:13:03] these kind of creators and giving back very little. And so I think the least they can do is ensure that people are not doing this on their platform. I'm not saying everything has to be in good taste or

[00:13:17] everyone has to have a refined tea party atmosphere. But as far as just out and out stalking and harassment, that should be not allowed. And from what we've seen from YouTube, from what seemingly thrives on their platform, especially when it comes to true crime,

[00:13:33] they don't care. They don't care. And they won't care unless they are made to care. Adam Bickler Should we move on to the next case? Taryn Larkin I believe we shall. So this next case

[00:13:47] comes out of Pennsylvania. My sources for this are CBS News. And this was recommended to us by a listener. And I just want to say thank you to that listener. We always appreciate getting tips

[00:13:57] from listeners about cases that they care about and that are sort of their following. So horrible story out of Donegal Lake Township in a house on Donegal Lake Road. And this occurred on August 1. So two young boys, 10-year-old Hunter Myers and 13-year-old James Campbell,

[00:14:20] were having a sleepover at Campbell's house. They were cousins, seemingly by marriage, not necessarily by blood. But they were also apparently very close, best friends, got along with each other. And before, you know, I mean, like a sleepover with two kids that age,

[00:14:37] like that's just supposed to be fun and, you know, having pizza and staying up late and whatnot. Unfortunately, this was not the ending that you would expect. Police were called to the house

[00:14:47] and they arrived to find Hunter had been stabbed to death. He had been stabbed repeatedly in the head. He was in a bedroom upstairs. And apparently Campbell confessed to being the one who stabbed

[00:14:59] him. There is no apparent motive for why he would do this. Dorothy Myers, who's Hunter's mom, has posted on social media saying that her son was asleep when he was attacked. So not even

[00:15:13] apparent that there was some scuffle or something gone wrong. Just he had no chance to fight back. Campbell has been arrested and charged as an adult and arraigned in the district magistrate's office, which is in Greensburg, Pennsylvania. And at this time, again, no indication of a possible motive

[00:15:34] or possible other issues that could come into play in a case like this. I'm talking about sort of mental illness, things like that. We've not gotten any indication about what happened here. And what Dorothy Myers has asked for, though, is for people to not harass the Campbell family

[00:15:52] because, as she notes, Hunter had previously stayed at his grandma's with his best friend. I take this to mean that Campbell was possibly living with Hunter's grandmother. I'm not sure exactly about everything, but just the wording of that kind of suggests that. And she says, quote,

[00:16:07] the only people you are hurting by running your mouth about him is his family, including us. So please just stop. Say my son's name, Hunter William Scott Myers, instead of flashing all of

[00:16:17] this hate. End quote. So this is a mother who is grieving the loss of her 10 year old child, and she is showing a tremendous amount of grace to another family that is also presumably hurting

[00:16:30] the Campbell family. And and that's her family. They're they're bound by by marriage. And again, this was her son's best friend. So this is hopefully a helpful indication of why we talked about the hate spread by that YouTuber. You know, that's that's rarely helpful. That's rarely

[00:16:49] helpful. It's really rarely does anything. It doesn't it doesn't respect the victims or alleged victims. It just it just adds more pain. And it doesn't add to anyone's understanding of what happened. No. And in a situation like this, especially with such young kids involved,

[00:17:06] I think it's really important to heed Dorothy Myers's suggestions and keep things civil and keep things focused on on trying to memorialize this young victim and trying to figure out what

[00:17:18] would make a a young 13 year old act out in that way and waiting for the results of trial that hopefully we can all get closer to the truth and figure that out. But either way, it's a tragedy

[00:17:30] all around. It's a tragedy for the Myers. It's a tragedy for the Campbells. It's a tragedy for this 13 year old. And it's most of all a tragedy for Hunter Myers, whose life was stolen from him

[00:17:41] before. I mean, 10 years old, that's just awful. It's awful. It's just awful. Awful. Well, I'd like to move on to a story I read about in the Chicago Sun-Times. And, you know, Anya, if you are a defendant in a murder case, presumably there's some smart

[00:18:03] things you could do to increase your chances of winning. There's also some dumb things you could do to make your bad situation even worse. And maybe at some point we can make a list of dumb

[00:18:16] things a defendant would do. Love to ask a criminal defense attorney that. Yeah, checklist. What are the stupidest things a client can do? I suspect that if we did get a criminal defense

[00:18:26] attorney to tell us the stupidest things his client could do when the client is on trial for murder, I am guessing the number one thing, the top stupidest thing you could do would be what Christopher Yates did. Christopher Yates is a 39 year old man facing murder charges,

[00:18:47] and he decided to try to hire someone to kill witnesses in the case. Oh, no. And he gave this person a gun and all of $250 and told them to kill the witnesses. $250? $250.

[00:19:08] And he said, I want them both off the board. Both of them have got to effing go. And this person who was being solicited by Mr. Yates shared this information with authorities.

[00:19:27] And he did promise to pay more money in the future. And he also gave special bullets. He said, quote, that's red tips, the ones that go through body armor. I got a fresh box of them.

[00:19:43] He also said that if anybody happened to be with the witnesses when the gunman would kill them, just go ahead and kill them too. So these things, talking to someone who is cooperating or willing

[00:19:59] to cooperate with law enforcement and offering that person all of $250 to commit murder on your behalf murder of witnesses on your behalf, that is really, really stupid. And you make a bad situation

[00:20:13] much, much, much worse. So he's currently held on his initial case that he was charged with was the murder of Diana Black. Is that right? Yes. OK, so he's already facing murder charges and then

[00:20:31] he's going a second round to get rid of witnesses, one of whom seems to be a co-defendant potentially. So it's a bad move. It's perhaps one of the stupidest things you could do. And here's why.

[00:20:43] The justice system, as you can imagine, takes witness safety or at least not killing witnesses pretty seriously. It's witnesses that allows for our system. Witnesses feeling like they can testify safely against somebody is how our system functions. If someone is threatening witnesses,

[00:21:03] that is often taken even more seriously than your run of the mill murder, frankly. Like I know in Indiana we had a case here where a man murdered his ex-wife or I think his

[00:21:16] estranged wife. And they added the fact that she was going to be a witness in a domestic abuse case against him to sort of the pile of stuff against him, I think, you know, in going for

[00:21:29] the death penalty, which was later revoked. But that shows you how serious they take it, because if it's like you are killing somebody to get out of a criminal situation, a criminal complaint, you're essentially attacking our entire system. It's sort of like going after

[00:21:46] a prosecutor, a judge or a police officer, you know, in terms of you're actually undermining the entire system. And I want to clarify something. Sometimes terms can be a bit confusing. I think you said that you believe one of the people he targeted was a co-defendant,

[00:22:05] and that is not the case. The people that were being targeted were witnesses. But the person who stepped forward and shared this information, he indicated that one of the reasons why he was

[00:22:17] doing this was to help a friend of his who was facing unrelated charges in Florida. And so that friend became a so-called cooperating defendant. I see. So he's a cooperating defendant, but he's

[00:22:30] not actually involved. He's just... Yeah, these are witnesses. It goes to the heart of the criminal justice system, as you say, because if you start killing witnesses, people are going to become more and more afraid to cooperate and help seek justice. So these are things taken extraordinarily

[00:22:49] seriously as well they should be. One thing I want to say, just because like, you know, we profiled this case, but is it fair? And maybe you have a different opinion, but is it fair to say

[00:22:59] that in your view, it's typically very rare for a witness to be killed or even threatened? Yeah, it's relatively rare to be killed. I think it's hard for us to know how many times a witness

[00:23:16] may or may not be threatened because we don't know which witnesses never stepped forward because they may have received threats, certainly like domestic violence incidents. Yeah, that would be a different situation. I just think it's important to stress that

[00:23:26] because I mean, I think unfortunately, true crime does sometimes play into a lot of paranoia that people have. And, you know, I've heard people say things like, well, I would never testify again, because I would be scared of being like disappeared. And it's like, I really don't

[00:23:41] think that happens a lot. And when there's even an indication that that could happen, it's taken very seriously in the cases where I've seen. And the witness would be protected. So I don't think this is like, you know, if you are involved in something, testify.

[00:23:57] And if you have concerns about your safety, bring that to the attention of the powers that be. But I just want to say that because there can be a lot of, I guess it also domestic violence, perhaps

[00:24:07] gang cases. There maybe is a little bit more of a risk. But in many cases that don't involve those things, I imagine that that's not too much of an issue. So it can happen. Those cases are

[00:24:20] interesting and often get talked about in true crime. I just don't want to leave everybody with a feeling like, well, if I ever see anything, I better just shut up. Don't shut up. Tell people what you saw and what you heard and whatnot. Exactly.

[00:24:33] So are we on for the last case? On for the last case. And then I have something to say about Judge Gall. Oh, twist ending. So these sources for this last case are KTLA and Fox News.

[00:24:48] And before we start, I just want to ask you something really random and it has to do with the case that just this brought back a lot of it's a very sad case. It brought back some like

[00:24:57] happy memories for me, but it's kind of depressing how it ends. But before we talk about the depressing and sad things, I just want to ask, have you ever watched the show General Hospital? Not that I recall, although a podcaster whose work I enjoy, the great Jimmy Pardo,

[00:25:17] I know he used to be a big fan of that show. So you never watched, not even in college or anything, you didn't run home and see what was going on with the... Why did that seem so hard for you to believe?

[00:25:26] I don't know. I thought you told me you did once. So what I would watch my daytime, John TV was game shows. Okay. I remember in law school, several people, including me, would often go home to watch The Price is Right. And I'll always... We're built different.

[00:25:47] I'll always remember one day in law school, someone came in, just shaking his head and said, I just watched Price is Right. And you know what the big prize was at the end? It was a honeymoon in beautiful Death Valley. And he's like, what are they thinking?

[00:26:14] Would you want to have your romantic getaway, take your sweetie to Death Valley? I wouldn't, but I imagine some people really like the desert. So if it happened to coincide that the person really liked the desert, they might really like that.

[00:26:25] Just a random person on The Price is Right. I'm guessing they weren't happy with that prize. Well, I don't know. Certainly everybody... It was the talk of law school that day. I think you just led our conversation into Death Valley to die.

[00:26:39] I want to talk about General Hospital. By all means do so. So I grew up watching this show with my mom. She was a fan and my sisters. And you might think, what's it about? You might think it's about a hospital. It's not really about a hospital.

[00:26:56] Not anymore. It's a fictional city in New York called Port Charles. And this dates me, but I grew up being obsessed with all the drama and there's like a gangster with a heart of gold named Sonny Corinthos. And he's on again, off again with his ex-wife Carly.

[00:27:13] And then there's a love triangle with Jason, Sam and Elizabeth. And there's a whole thing, Kevin, where the show's main cast are all stuck in a train tunnel after a train wreck. And a district attorney, actually a lawyer angle, a district attorney, Alexis Davis has

[00:27:28] to give birth with an emergency C-section in the tunnel. And then one thing I'll never forget, and I'm still kind of angry about, I think on some level, one of the main characters, Luke Spencer at one point literally brought a monkey

[00:27:41] back with him from a trip to Port Charles. This ensues in a virus. A virus is spread seemingly by the monkey and people die. And people die. People lose loved ones over this. And I don't remember anyone calling him out about that. It's a wild, wild soap opera.

[00:28:01] And it's one of those things where I just have a lot of fond memories growing up with it because it is just, it's kind of off the hook. It's just anything can happen, right? Like you never know what's going to happen.

[00:28:15] You know, it's just going to be probably pretty ridiculous, but it is actually, I believe- Some would say it's so extreme as to be classified as off the hook. There you go. And it brings back a lot of happy memories for me because I just remember watching it

[00:28:29] as a kid and being like delighted, but all the antics. So with that said, is there something really- There's something really bad that happened with it lately. It's not at all happy. No, not at all happy. I just wanted to preface it with that.

[00:28:39] Unfortunately, sort of tragic news hit around this show back in May of this year. A 37-year-old actor named Johnny Wachter played the character Brando Corbin on the show. He appeared in about 164 episodes from 2020 to 2022. So he was no longer on the show.

[00:29:05] But on May 25th, 2024, he and a co-worker left the rooftop bar where they worked in Los Angeles. It was very early in the morning and they were on Hope Street and Pico Boulevard. And so they came upon a group of three men around Johnny's car.

[00:29:24] And at first, he and his co-worker thought that there was some issue, like it was being towed. They didn't realize the danger at first. They thought perhaps like there was something wrong and they were like, what's going on?

[00:29:35] So it became clear that these men were not here for a legitimate reason. And Johnny asked them to leave. And one of them shot him in the chest and he died at the hospital. And so this has unfortunately gone unsolved for a number of months.

[00:29:52] And just recently, on August 4th, 2024, Los Angeles Police Department released images of the suspects and the vehicle they fled in. So the vehicle is a stolen black 2018 four-door Infiniti Q50 with a tan interior. And they fled northward on Hope Street.

[00:30:11] And one important detail about the shooter, the group was all wearing like hoodies, so they're kind of hard to see in the images. But the shooter apparently had a tattoo above his left eye and on his right cheek.

[00:30:23] So Johnny Wachter's family deserves answers about who did this to them. This seemingly was over a catalytic converter theft. So if you've ever been on social media these days, you often see a lot of people complaining about how their catalytic converters were stolen.

[00:30:40] This is an increasingly common type of crime. Obviously, it does not always end in violence, but in this case, it did. And just senseless violence, senseless to shoot a human being over something as menial as a botched theft of a catalytic converter.

[00:30:57] And the fact that there are people out there that would say that, you know, this is a reasonable action to take a human's life so I can get away with this sort of theft is just sickening. And his family deserves answers. His loved ones deserved answers.

[00:31:13] And so if you have any information about this, talking about real information, not theories, they don't need your theories. They just need people who actually have information in the neighborhood about who may have done this.

[00:31:27] Call the LAPD at 213-996-4143 and share what you know, because this shouldn't have happened. My heart goes out to his family and it's just very sad. It's an awful case. I hope they get some answers soon. I want to mention something very briefly about Judge Gull.

[00:31:50] I think some people perhaps don't appreciate that as a trial court judge, she's involved in lots and lots of cases. And anytime a criminal defendant loses a case, they tend to try to find grounds to appeal it. And sometimes those, they have successful grounds and sometimes they don't.

[00:32:12] And just as I was hopping around the internet, I came across the fact that just very recently, within the last few days, a case of Judge Gull's reached the Indiana Court of Appeals. A man named Raymond Borrell was convicted of child molesting

[00:32:31] and sentenced by Judge Gull to 45 years in prison. And he is upset with Judge Gull for a couple of reasons. One reason is because after the prosecution presented its case, this gentleman's attorneys tried to convince Judge Gull

[00:32:49] that there was no evidence and the case should be thrown out. And she did not throw it out. And the other reason they were upset with Judge Gull is because when she was giving instructions to the jury about the case

[00:33:02] and about what the law was, she was describing the charges against this person. She referred to things that the state would have to prove that were done to the victim, a child. And they made the argument that by saying that, by using the word victim,

[00:33:22] you are basically telling the jury that a crime occurred. And so therefore this man must be guilty of it. And so that was the two things they were upset about. Should have thrown the case out, given us a directed verdict, should not have used the word victim.

[00:33:36] And the Indiana Court of Appeals rejected those arguments and sided with Judge Gull. So this man's conviction and his 45-year sentence stand. And I just thought that was interesting and worth noting because we hear so much about what Judge Gull is doing in one particular case,

[00:33:52] but she's involved in a lot of them. Mary O'Driscoll Absolutely. Well, I think now it's time for me to shuffle through an awkward, poorly thought out advertisement for our t-shirts. Adam Davis I'm sure you're going to do a great job.

[00:34:08] I'm sure you're going to blow me away and impress me. Mary O'Driscoll Wow, so supportive. I appreciate that. Adam Davis Hang on folks. This Anya is about to say really wonderful and poetic things that will impress all of us.

[00:34:25] And I'm sure even I will feel motivated to go out and buy a t-shirt after hearing the stirring words of when Anya came. Mary O'Driscoll Please don't buy a t-shirt, Kevin, because then you're just, it's just wasting money. Adam Davis So let her rip.

[00:34:41] Mary O'Driscoll Anyways, so we have these beautiful, beautiful shirts. Adam Davis Beautiful shirts. Mary O'Driscoll They say murder sheet people on them. It's a little sly reference to us being dragged into mention of court. But anyways, it's very funny. It's very, they're very beautiful. They're very comfortable.

[00:35:01] Everyone we've talked to who got one really liked it. We've not heard any complaints. And I just think they're just fun and you can go to different places and people will be like, hey, that's a, that sounds cool. And you look cool.

[00:35:18] Adam Davis So you're saying that if you wear this garment, you would be permitted under law to go to different places? Mary O'Driscoll Yeah. Adam Davis Is that what you're maintaining? Mary O'Driscoll And do all sorts of things. And people will think you look cool.

[00:35:31] Adam Davis Sounds pretty spicy. Mary O'Driscoll Spicy? What? What are you talking about? Adam Davis So you're stirring words. Mary O'Driscoll You're the one who used the word spicy all of a sudden. I think, I think they look really good. And I think everybody likes them.

[00:35:49] And, and we appreciate it because it helps us basically file FOIA requests and pay document fees and travel to go to trial. Adam Davis As we did last week, we didn't go to trial last week. Mary O'Driscoll No. Adam Davis We did Mary O'Driscoll Take hearings.

[00:36:03] Adam Davis Go to pre-trial hearings. Mary O'Driscoll Yeah. So it really helps us out. And I think you look pretty, pretty fly, pretty, pretty dope, dare I say. Adam Davis Would you say that if you wore those shirts, it would be off the hook?

[00:36:14] Mary O'Driscoll Yes, I think it would. And Adam Davis What would you expect if you're walking past a crowd of people wearing this shirt? Would you, would somebody say that we're dope? Mary O'Driscoll No, I don't think that would happen.

[00:36:27] I think people, I think they would just spontaneously burst into applause. That's what I think would happen. They'd just be, maybe you see one of them wiping away a tear, you know, they'd be very impressed with you. So I think

[00:36:39] Adam Davis I think you're going a little bit too far in your claims. Mary O'Driscoll Are you kidding me? Adam Davis I'm gonna have to give Miss K to talk you to. But Mary O'Driscoll Buzz off. Adam Davis Have a good weekend, everybody. Thank you. Mary O'Driscoll Bye.

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