The Death of Matthew Perry: The Indictment of Ketamine Queen Jasveen Sangha

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[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of people were quite shocked last October 28th

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: when 54-year-old actor Matthew Perry was found dead in his hot tub of what now is known to have been

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: some of the effects of ketamine.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Perry, of course, is one of the stars of the 90s sitcom Friends.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: He played Chandler.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people love this man's work.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people felt a real connection to him for many reasons,

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: one of which he was very, very open publicly about his struggles with addictions.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And so a number of people who had those issues in their own lives

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: felt a connection to him over and beyond what you might feel for just a TV actor you like.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was a genuinely shocking event and then it turned out to have been related to drug use.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And so there have actually been some arrests made.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be discussing that before we get into it.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to mention that when I was reading some of this information and hearing

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: about how some of the people around Matthew Perry in the last weeks of his life,

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: how they took advantage of him and manipulated his sickness for their own profit,

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: it really reminded me of some of the stories we heard from Zach Craig earlier this year.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Zach Craig is a prosecutor out of Muncie, Indiana.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: He has prosecuted a number of what is known as death as a result of dealing.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: In other words, if people die as a result of using drugs they procure from a particular person.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That person who sold the drugs could face murder charges.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He does a lot of these cases that Craig does.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And he shared with us a number of stories, very disturbing stories about people who

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: suffer from addiction who were exploited by people just wanting to make a fast buck off of them.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it just really struck me that we were seeing the exact same sort of behavior in this

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: case. And so the sort of people he prosecutes in Muncie, Indiana are just like the people

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: servicing big time celebrities in Los Angeles, California. So that was kind of shocking to me.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. That episode we did with Chief Deputy Prosecutor of Delaware County, Zach Craig,

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: was part of our fentanyl file series. That's a series where we talk about the fentanyl crisis

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and the amount of fentanyl deaths that have occurred over time and sort of unpack different

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: perspectives. Now this I feel like is a close cousin of the fentanyl files. The reason why it's

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: not called the fentanyl files is that Matthew Perry did not die from fentanyl. This is ketamine.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But I want you to keep that series in mind when we're talking about this because it does

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: talk to a lot of the same issues and issues of addiction, issues of enforcing some of this

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: war on drugs stuff. Is that effective? What can be done to protect people more?

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And how should people be punished when they are basically caught having sold drugs that somebody

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: took and then died as a result of? So we'll be talking about all of that today and kind of

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: getting into that. My name is Anya Kane. I'm a journalist. And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: attorney. And this is the murder sheet. We're a true crime podcast focused on original

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: reporting, interviews and deep dives into murder cases. We're the murder sheet. And this is the

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: death of Matthew Perry, the indictment of ketamine queen, Jasveen Sanga. So let's get right into

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: this. The five people facing charges as a result of all of this are Jasveen Sanga 41. She is

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: known as the ketamine queen. Also facing charges is Dr. Salvador Placencia, Dr. Mark Chavez,

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Eric Fleming and Matthew Perry's Livian assistant 59 year old Kenneth Ewan Massa.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to go through and read to you and discuss with you a big portion of this indictment.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I do want to caution you. We're going to be jumping around in it a bit. I kind of rearranged a few

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: things here or there. And there were a couple of times when they referred to someone just by

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_02]: their first name, and I thought it'd be more helpful to include their full name. And also we

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: should know that in this indictment, they refer to Matthew Perry as MP. Anya is going to begin

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_02]: by reading the portion of the indictment that discusses the charges.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Quote, beginning on a date unknown and continuing until at least on or about October 30th, 2023,

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: in Los Angeles County within the central district of California and elsewhere,

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: defendants Dr. Salvador Placencia and Jasveen Sanga conspired with co-conspirators

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenneth Ewan Massa, Eric Fleming and Mark Chavez and others known and unknown to the grand jury

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: to knowingly and intentionally distribute Ketamine, a Schedule 3 controlled substance in

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: violation of Title 21 United States Code. So this raises the obvious question, what exactly is

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Ketamine? Ketamine is discussed and defined in this indictment and Anya is going to share

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: with us that definition. Quote, Ketamine was a Schedule 3 controlled substance that was FDA approved

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: for induction and maintenance of general anesthesia during surgical procedures. Due to the medical

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: risks associated with Ketamine, it was widely accepted in the medical community that a health

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: care professional was required to monitor a patient who had just been given Ketamine.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: While monitoring a patient who had been administered Ketamine, it was necessary for the health

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: care professional to have access to certain life-saving equipment, including a defibrillator,

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: a supply of supplemental oxygen, equipment to monitor the patient's heart rate and breathing

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and medication to ensure patient safety. End quote. So yeah, I think it's very important to stress

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: that there are legitimate uses for Ketamine in the medical field, but any drug used for

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: anesthesia has some pretty strong effects. And so it should only be used in a controlled

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: circumstance by professionals who know exactly what they are doing. There is a reason that

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: anesthesiologists are a specific type of physician who study very hard and able to be,

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: in order to be able to safely use and sort of wield the tools of general anesthesia in a way

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that does not kill people because it's very, very dangerous. People go to school for this,

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: people go to medical school and they specialize in this. And no one should just be doing this

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: or using any of these substances in that way. And same goes for nurse anesthetists.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a very intricate thing. The human body is not something that we can just

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: turn on and off. There's got to be chemicals used in a responsible way. And essentially what they're

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: saying here is, in addition to that, if something goes wrong with anesthesia, if a patient has a

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: bad reaction to anesthesia, there needs to be measures ready that everyone can go and do life

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: saving sort of techniques in order to get them back so that they don't end up dying as a result

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: of set anesthesia. And because of these dangers, that's why we have these laws. Now let's get into

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: this cast of characters. Anya is going to begin by telling us what the indictment has to say about

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Jasveen Sanga, the Ketamine Queen. Quote, defendant Jasveen Sanga, also known as aka

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: the Ketamine Queen, was a resident of North Hollywood, California who used her North Hollywood

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: residence, the Sanga Stash House to store, package and distribute narcotics including Ketamine and

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Methamphetamine. Defendant Sanga knew that the unsupervised and improper use of Ketamine can be

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: deadly. On August 26, 2019, Defendant Sanga sold Ketamine to a customer, namely victim C.M.,

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: who died of a drug overdose within a day of the drug deal. As a result, a family member of victim

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: C.M. informed Defendant Sanga of the death in a text message stating, the Ketamine you saw my

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: brother killed him, it's listed as the cause of death. Within days of receiving this text,

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Defendant Sanga confirmed that Ketamine can kill by conducting a Google search for,

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: can Ketamine be listed as a cause of death? So I think that is very crucial and it tells

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: us something about this woman because she, you can't say that she didn't recognize the dangers of

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Ketamine because she was informed that someone who she sold to actually died from it.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And you would think that if this person had any sort of a conscience

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: that that would make them change their ways. But as we will see, it did not because she continued to

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: sell Ketamine including the Ketamine that resulted in the death of Mr. Perry.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Can I just add? I actually don't see that that's her checking if Ketamine can kill.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: She's saying can Ketamine be listed as a cause of death? That's what she wants to know.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's trying to figure out is this kind of coming back to me in a way? Is this even listed

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: as the official cause of death? I think that's a self-preservation Google search.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she's like wait, what? It can kill people, huh? That's more of like,

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: is this victim's sister lying to me and how much of a problem is this going to be for

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: me going forward? That's how I read it. That's just my opinion about that. It's not

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: can Ketamine kill. It's something a little more specific.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Ketamine, that's a good point. And I'll mention just in passing the person who sent that text

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: message to Sangha has been identified and she gave an interview to a reporter from CNN

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and she indicated that she found the Venmo or what have you in her brother's phone indicating

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: that he had gotten the Ketamine from this person and she sent this text message to the Ketamine

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Queen and of course never got a response. But all of this got me interested. So I looked a little

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_02]: bit more at Miss Sangha. So we're going to step away from the indictment for a moment

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and take a quick look at an affidavit, the DEA special agent Tyler Abrejo

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: filed with the court back in March of 2024. Just be looking at a few excerpts from this affidavit

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and I thought it was interesting because it gives some pretty interesting information

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: in context on Miss Sangha. In conducting major narcotics investigations,

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I have become aware of many techniques utilized by narcotics traffickers.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I have learned that these individuals utilize various tactics to avoid detection and or apprehension

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: by law enforcement officials. Techniques used by members of these organizations include the use

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: of multiple locations, utilizations of numerous co-conspirators, the use of pay

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: telephones, multiple cellular telephones and the use of other techniques to conceal

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: communications including the use of encrypted messaging up applications and email platforms

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_01]: such as Protonmail. During an investigation being conducted by the DEA, United States Postal

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Inspection Service and LAPD homicide detectives, Sangha was identified as a narcotics dealer.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: On March 19th 2024, law enforcement personnel conducted a search warrant at Sangha's residence

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: located in North Hollywood, California. During the search, law enforcement seized

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: significant quantities of illegal drugs including approximately 1,978 grams of orange pills in that

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: field tested positive for methamphetamine, 79 bottles containing a clear liquid that field

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: tested positive for ketamine and various other suspect narcotics. As discussed below,

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: law enforcement also sees cell phones belonging to Sangha which contained additional evidence

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: related to Sangha's drug trafficking activities including conversations related to selling

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: pressed methamphetamine pills and ketamine. During a search of the residence,

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: agents found a green journal with handwritten notes that appeared to detail thousands of

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: dollars in drug transactions including sale prices and weights. Inside the master bedroom,

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: agents also found user quantities of suspected drugs in a firearm inside of the closet.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Inside of another bedroom in the residence, law enforcement officers found the following,

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: approximately 1,978 gross grams of orange pills that field tested presumptive positive for methamphetamine,

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: approximately 79 bottles of a clear liquid that field tested a presumptive positive for ketamine,

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: 41 grams of pills suspected of being MDMA, 2,127 grams of pills suspected of being Xanax,

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: 426 grams of substances suspected of being ketamine, 323 grams of a substance suspected of being

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: silo-beasing mushrooms and 128 grams of suspected cocaine. During the search, law enforcement

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: also found a money counter, a scale that appeared to be covered in a drug residue,

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: a wireless signal and hidden camera detector and drug packaging materials.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: This woman is obviously a pretty major drug dealer.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So this is something that actually I reflect back on in another fentanyl files episode we did

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: where we interviewed Lawrence County Chief Public Defender Tim Sled who's also done on the other

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: side the defense of dealing resulting in death cases. One thing that he mentioned and I thought

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: was a really apt point was that he feels that the government goes after low level attic dealers

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot too much, like very much like picking out the small fish when the sharks are still circling

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and by the sharks I mean the cartels and the Chinese companies that produce the precursors

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: to fentanyl. So he's saying the war on drugs is bad because the foot soldiers are being

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: readily eliminated but the generals go free and I thought that was very apt

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: but it sounds like in this case this Ketamine Queen, this alleged Ketamine Queen, Ms. Sunga

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: is much more of an organized larger player judging from the amount she has

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and from what her operation seems to be based on these findings. So I feel like

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: this is definitely somebody who seems more connected, seems more of kind of a professional

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: when it comes to this stuff. I would agree completely. I'll give you a break here and I will read

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: some information about the other people who face charges in all of this and I'm going back to

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: quoting from the actual indictment quote Defendant Salvador Placencia aka Dr. P

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and co-conspirator Mark Chavez were medical doctors licensed to practice in the state of

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: California. Defendant Placencia and co-conspirator Chavez had previously applied for and obtained

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: authorization from the Drug Enforcement Administration to dispense, administer, and prescribe narcotics

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and other controlled substances so long as such prescriptions were for a legitimate medical purpose.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Co-conspirator Kenneth Iwan Masa was a residence of Los Angeles County and employed as the

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: live-in personal assistant to victim Matthew Perry. Co-conspirator Iwan Masa had never received

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: medical training and knew little, if anything, about administering and or treating patients with

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: controlled substances. With controlled substances as Defendant Placencia well knew. Co-conspirator

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Eric Fleming was an acquaintance of victim Matthew Perry and a resident of Hawthorne,

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: California. Defendant Placencia, co-conspirator Iwan Masa, co-conspirator Fleming and co-conspirator

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Chavez were aware that victim Matthew Perry had a history of drug abuse and addiction

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and that victim Matthew Perry had sought on multiple occasions assistance to treat his

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_02]: drug addiction and to maintain his sobriety in quote. So I take that to mean that these

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: people were well aware that this was a person with serious issues and instead of either helping

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Perry with his addiction issues or just stepping back and not having anything to do with it,

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: they instead saw in his addiction issues an opportunity to make some money.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really scary. And I mean, I speaking as somebody who is recovering alcoholic and has

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_01]: dealt with addiction issues of my own around alcohol, I do I am a big believer in that people

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: who are dealing with addiction do bear personal responsibility to a certain extent. It may

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: be a disease but we have the ability to strive to fight it. But when as it seems like in

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: this situation when somebody is surrounded by people who are essentially attempting to make money

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: off of one's addiction or push Matthew Perry back into his addiction or whatnot, it's very,

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: very hard I think for someone in a situation like that to get sober. And this can be a problem

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: with for a lot of celebrities where people see that you're successful and you have money and

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe there's a vulnerability there and they will exploit that. And it's just very sad that,

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_01]: unfortunately, instead of people instead of any of these people perhaps backing off or being

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: supportive of him being sober, it's like they were pushing him down that road more.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that where the money was? That's yeah, you're not going to make money off of drug

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: deals if someone's not buying your drugs. Can you read the section that talks about

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: the actual conspiracy amongst these people? Sure.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Quote, the object of the conspiracy was to be accomplished in substance as follows.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Co-conspirator Iwam Masa would communicate with other co-conspirators including defendant Placentia

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and co-conspirator Fleming about purchasing ketamine to distribute to victim MP.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: The co-conspirators would use encrypted messaging applications

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and coded language to discuss drug deals, including referring to bottles of ketamine as Dr. Pepper,

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: cans and bots. After discussing ketamine orders with co-conspirator Iwam Masa,

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: co-conspirator Fleming and defendant Placentia would communicate with their ketamine sources of

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: supply, including defending Sanga and co-conspirator Chavez respectively about inventory, price,

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and availability of ketamine to sell to co-conspirator Iwam Masa and victim MP.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Defendant Sanga would operate and maintain the Sanga Stash House in North Hollywood, California,

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: which defendant Sanga would use to store, package, and distribute narcotics,

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: including providing ketamine to co-conspirator Fleming so that co-conspirator Fleming could sell

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it to victim MP. Co-conspirator Iwam Masa would meet with co-conspirators,

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_01]: including defendant Placentia and co-conspirator Fleming to purchase ketamine for victim MP.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Defendant Placentia would distribute ketamine to co-conspirator Iwam Masa and victim MP outside

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: the usual course of professional practice and without a legitimate medical purpose,

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_01]: including by teaching co-conspirator Iwam Masa how to inject victim MP with ketamine,

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: selling ketamine to co-conspirator Iwam Masa to inject into MP, injecting ketamine into

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: victim MP without the proper safety equipment, and failing to properly monitor victim MP

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: after defendant Placentia injected victim MP with ketamine.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Using the instructions and syringes provided by defendant Placentia, co-conspirator Iwam Masa would

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: inject victim MP with the ketamine that was sold to co-conspirator Iwam Masa by defendant Placentia,

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: co-conspirator Fleming, and defendant Sanga. On October 28, 2023, using syringes provided

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: by defendant Placentia, co-conspirator Iwam Masa injected at victim MP with multiple doses

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: of the ketamine he received from co-conspirator Fleming and defendant Sanga, resulting in the death

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and serious bodily injury of victim MP. Okay, so I guess the next question is now that we know

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: what they're accused of doing. What do you need in order to prove the existence of a conspiracy

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: in court? Basically what you need, what the law requires is that there needs to be

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: what's called an overt act. An overt act has to be more than just an agreement.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So in other words, if Ani and I are talking and she says, why don't we go steal some cereal from the

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: store? And I say yes, that sounds like a great idea. That's not enough. That's just an agreement

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and you need more than just an agreement. But I think it's also important to stress

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: that an overt act doesn't need to be a criminal act. To go back to the serial example,

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: if before we go and steal the cereal together as a couple, I say, oh, Ania,

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm worried about leaving fingerprints behind. I want to buy some gloves for you to wear

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: so that you won't leave any fingerprints. If I do that, if I go out and buy the gloves,

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: that is an overt act in furtherance of our conspiracy to steal cereal. Does that make

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_02]: sense? It does make sense. So with all that said, let's look at this indictment. They actually

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: allege a pretty large number of overt acts close to 80 of them. Let's go back and forth

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and read these. And if we have something to say about them, let's say it.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds fine. You want to start off? Sure. On September 30th, 2023, after learning that

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: victim Matthew Perry was interested in obtaining ketamine, defendant Placentia contacted

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Co-conspirator Chavez about purchasing ketamine so that he could sell the ketamine to victim Matthew Perry.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: On September 30th, 2023, in text messages with Co-conspirator Chavez, defendant Placentia

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: discussed how much to charge victim MP for ketamine stating, I wonder how much this moron

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: will pay and let's find out. On September 30th, 2023, Co-conspirator Chavez confirmed

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: he was willing to sell ketamine to defendant Placentia and then sent a photograph of ketamine

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: lozenges that Co-conspirator Chavez had previously obtained by writing a fraudulent prescription

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: in the name of VB without VB's knowledge or consent. On September 30th, 2023, in text messages

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Co-conspirator Chavez and defendant Placentia arranged to meet in Costa Mesa, California so

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: the defendant Placentia could obtain liquid ketamine in the fraudulent VB prescription from

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Co-conspirator Chavez. On September 30th, 2023, Co-conspirator Chavez met with defendant Placentia

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: in or around Costa Mesa, California within the Central District of California and sold

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: defendant Placentia at least four vials of liquid ketamine, ketamine lozenges from

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: the fraudulent VB prescription, gloves and syringes. On September 30th, 2023, in text messages to

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: victim Matthew Perry, defendant Placentia confirmed he planned to leave vials of ketamine with victim

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Perry for self-administration stating, I will give you first dose if you would like

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and leave supplies with you. On September 30th, 2023, after injecting victim Matthew Perry

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: with ketamine at victim Matthew Perry's residence in the Central District of California, defendant

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Placentia gave instructions to Co-conspirator Iwamasa about how to inject ketamine and left

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: ketamine in syringes with Co-conspirator Iwamasa so that Co-conspirator Iwamasa could administer

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: ketamine to victim Matthew Perry. On September 30th, 2023, Co-conspirator Iwamasa paid defendant

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Placentia approximately $4,500 in cash for the ketamine referenced earlier.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_01]: On September 30th, 2023, defendant Placentia sent text messages to Co-conspirator Chavez

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: describing the meeting with victim Matthew Perry stating it was like a bad movie and confirming

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that defendant Placentia would send Co-conspirator Chavez payments soon.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 2nd, 2023, Co-conspirator Iwamasa sent defendant Placentia a text message in coded

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: language stating that Co-conspirator Iwamasa wanted to purchase vials of ketamine and not

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: injection sessions. Want to end up with eight bottles of Dr. Pepper, not just eight sessions?

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 2nd, 2023, in response to the text message described in Overt Act

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: number 10, defendant Placentia confirmed he understood.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 2nd, 2023, ahead of a planned meeting between defendant Placentia and victim Matthew

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Perry, defendant Placentia told Co-conspirator Chavez, if today goes well we may have repeat

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: business. On October 2nd, 2023, in text messages to defendant Placentia, Co-conspirator

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Chavez discussed selling ketamine to victim Matthew Perry stating you should sell him

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: the trochee referring to the fraudulent VB prescription.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's step out of this for a minute to discuss some of this. First of all, trochees, I didn't

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: know what this is. Basically it is kind of a hard tablet, kind of almost like a cough drop but not

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: quite that you put under your tongue and it is a way for them for the drug to get directly

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: into your bloodstream and bypass the digestive system.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Can I just say, this is not really important but just the way that they're making fun of Matthew

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Perry is kind of upsetting, galling like they're talking about it's like a bad movie.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a moron.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like they have a lot of contempt for somebody in this situation, not a lot of sympathy

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: which I guess makes sense given what they were doing but it's like wow, it's just kind

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: of eye-opening.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: How much will he pay and basically leaving supplies behind for people with no experience

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_02]: in it or medical training?

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the fact that these men were physicians is so terrifying to me because we all know

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that there can be bad physicians out there that do stuff like this, pill mills, you know,

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_01]: all that stuff but in this situation it's always really galling when you've become a

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: doctor, become a medical physician and have sworn your Hippocratic oath to do no harm and

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: take care of patients and then to turn around and be doing something like this.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when physicians go wrong people can really get hurt.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is terrifying.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get back to it.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Quote, on October 2nd, 2023 Defendant Placentia traveled to victim Matthew Perry's residence

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_02]: to inject him with ketamine and sell additional ketamine including ketamine lozenges.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 2nd, 2023 in text messages Defendant Placentia updated co-conspirator Chavez

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_01]: about his visit to victim Matthew Perry's residence including stating he intended to

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: administer 360 milligrams of ketamine to victim Matthew Perry over the span of approximately an hour.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 2nd, 2023 Defendant Placentia injected victim Matthew Perry with ketamine

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and sold co-conspirator Iwan Masa liquid ketamine and ketamine lozenges from the

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_02]: prescription in exchange for cash.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 2nd, 2023 in text messages with co-conspirator Chavez Defendant Placentia

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: discussed needing additional ketamine to send sell to victim Matthew Perry.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 2nd, 2023 to obtain more ketamine to sell to victim Matthew Perry

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_02]: co-conspirator Chavez placed in order for 10 vials of ketamine from a wholesale distributor of

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: controlled substances.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 2nd, 2023 co-conspirator Chavez submitted a license authorization form to

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: a different wholesale distributor of controlled substances for the purpose of attaining

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: additional ketamine to sell to victim Matthew Perry.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Among other things, the license authorization form contained false statements

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: including that the ketamine will not be sold to a third party distributed or used for any other purpose.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 4th, 2023 in text messages using coded language

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: co-conspirator Iwan Masa till Defendant Placentia

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: he needed to purchase additional bottles of ketamine stating

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I will need to get more cans of Dr. Pepper from you today, I can come to you to make it convenient.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 4th, 2023 co-conspirator Iwan Masa told Defendant Placentia

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: that he had successfully injected victim Matthew Perry with ketamine noting

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: found the sweet spot but trying different places led to running out of ketamine.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 4th, 2023 in response to the text message referenced above Defendant Placentia

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: advised he could deliver more ketamine to co-conspirator Iwan Masa and said

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I have ideas on how to get consistent results.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 4th, 2023 in response to co-conspirator Iwan Masa's text messages requesting to

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: purchase ketamine now Defendant Placentia stated he was currently

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: retrieving four bottles from his source referring to co-conspirator Chavez.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 4th, 2023 Defendant Placentia traveled to Irvine, California to purchase

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: eight vials of liquid ketamine from Defendant Chavez.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 4th, 2023 Defendant Placentia injected victim Matthew Perry with ketamine and sold

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: multiple vials of ketamine to co-conspirator Iwan Masa.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 4th, 2023 in text messages to co-conspirator Chavez Defendant Placentia

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: asked whether co-conspirator Chavez was having any trouble finding more ketamine

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: in case this continues with this guy noting I think we would be best served not having him

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: look elsewhere because Defendant Placentia wanted to be his go-to.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's stop there. It really is making it clear they're seeing this guy as a cash cow.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We want to be his go-to source. We don't want him going anywhere else.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We want to supply all of his ketamine even if it involves us having to make

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: false statements on forms to obtain ketamine from all these different sources.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, this is not how physicians talk about prescriptions. Okay, when I need a prescription,

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going on my patient portal and asking my doctor, hey, can you send me some cans of

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Coke, wink, wink? I mean, like this isn't how, you know, I mean, it's pretty overtly

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_01]: bad news. All of this. Like it's very hard. Like why are you using weird code names and carrying

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_01]: on like this and lying on forms if this is some sort of legitimate use?

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty clearly a consciousness of guilt. Yeah, there's definitely, yeah,

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: there's a lot of that going on here. And we have people close to us in the medical field and

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: this is just appalling. Yeah, it really is. It really is. Yeah, when you're in the,

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: a field and you see others who are supposed to be in that field doing wrong, I think it hits

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: home harder because you know what good doctoring looks like. You know what good medical professionals

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: look like. And when people are then doing that and sort of bastardizing it, then it's upsetting.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes me very angry because Matthew Perry was obviously struggling and needed help.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And there are a lot of good people in this country, including good doctors, good nurses who would have

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_02]: helped him. And it is a tragedy that he did not encounter those people. But what's also scary

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_01]: is that he, this all starts in what is it late September it looks like. And he's dead by the

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: end of October. So we're seeing this, it all happens very quickly. This is not something

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that's like lasting for years, right? It's something that's kind of escalates and,

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and you know, leads to a death. So should we get back to the, let's get back to it. Okay.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Quote on October 4th 2023, co-conspirator Chavez sent a text message to Defendant Placentia

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_02]: stating he was working on getting more ketamine. On October 4th 2023 to obtain more ketamine

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: to sell to victim Matthew Perry, co-conspirator Chavez submitted an order for 10 vials of ketamine

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: to wholesale ketamine distributor two. On October 4th 2023 to obtain more ketamine to sell to victim

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Matthew Perry, co-conspirator Chavez completed a know your customer DEA questionnaire and

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_01]: submitted it to wholesale ketamine distributor one knowing the document contained materially

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: false statements, including co-conspirator Chavez responding no to the question. Do you sell any

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: products to other practitioners? Let me just pause here for a minute because it mentions the DEA

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and folks who don't work in the medical field at all may be surprised by that. But this is one

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: important aspect of it. Knowing people who do work in the medical field, there are standards

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and practices. There are regulations and I know from people who work in the medical field,

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the DEA is definitely like, if you're doing stuff wrong, the DEA could come knocking at your door

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: that's not out of the question. So I think this just underscores where it's very clear what you're

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: supposed to be doing in this field and certainly lying is not one of the things that you're

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: supposed to be doing when it comes to drugs. Yeah, they knew what they were doing here.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just I just want to underscore because I think sometimes I have an inclination

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: of like, well, do people just make a mistake or kind of let something get too far? But

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_01]: knowing what I know about how this works and I am not a medical practitioner myself,

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_01]: but I do know some and the DEA is around when you're dealing with stuff like ketamine and

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not an ambiguous thing here. So that's what I wanted to say that.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get back to it. Quote on October 6, 2023, in response to co-conspirator

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Iwan Massa advising Defendant Placentia that he needed more ketamine because he had only one left,

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Defendant Placentia traveled to victim Matthew Perry's residence and sold one or more vials of

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_02]: ketamine to co-conspirator Iwan Massa in exchange for cash. On October 7, 2023,

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: co-conspirator Iwan Massa sent text messages to Defendant Placentia seeking more ketamine and

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_01]: asked if he could pay with something besides cash because it's hard to get to the bank

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_01]: on the fly with all that's going on, on which happens so fast now.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 7, 2023, at approximately 11.29 p.m., in response to text messages from

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_02]: co-conspirator Iwan Massa, Defendant Placentia confirmed he had two bottles of ketamine to sell

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and agreed to meet in Santa Monica, California stating,

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I am at 3rd Street promenade now if you would like to meet now.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 7, 2023, at approximately 11.47 p.m., co-conspirator Iwan Massa told Defendant

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Placentia that he sent $3,000 by electronic payment and I'm bringing three more leaving now.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 8, 2023, at approximately 12.30 a.m., Defendant Placentia met with co-conspirator

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Iwan Massa on a street corner in Santa Monica and sold co-conspirator Iwan Massa ketamine

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_01]: in exchange for $6,000 cash. On October 9, 2023, after co-conspirator Chavez

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: received a ketamine delivery from wholesale ketamine distributor 1,

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: co-conspirator Ixava sent a text message to Defendant Placentia stating,

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: are we still meeting tomorrow? We got the shipment today, one box of 10 vials.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 9, 2023, in response to the text message referenced above,

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Defendant Placentia stated, great, yes, I'm going to probably come to you midday.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 10, 2023, Defendant Placentia met with co-conspirator Chavez in Irvine,

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: California and purchased 10 vials of ketamine which Defendant Placentia intended to sell

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_02]: to victim Matthew Perry. On October 10, 2023, in text messages, Defendant Placentia

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and co-conspirator Iwan Massa agreed to meet in Long Beach, California so that Defendant

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Placentia could transfer more ketamine to co-conspirator Iwan Massa.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 10, 2023, Defendant Placentia met co-conspirator Iwan Massa and victim Matthew

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Perry in a public parking lot in Long Beach, California or Defendant Placentia injected

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_01]: victim Matthew Perry with ketamine while inside of a vehicle. While there, Defendant

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Placentia also provided additional vials of ketamine to co-conspirator Iwan Massa in

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_02]: exchange for a partial payment in cash. What's not there for a second? There is something so

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: troubling and disturbing about this image to me. They are meeting in a parking lot and Matthew

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Perry is in a car and just in this car, this doctor, the so-called doctor is injecting him with

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: ketamine. Yeah, in what world? In what world is that? Yeah, it's so seedy and grimy and just upsetting.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It just makes me very, very sad. It makes me sad for Matthew Perry. It's like what was going on

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_01]: in his life at that point where he was in such a the grips of addiction or the grips of some

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_01]: problem where one thing about addiction is that it really erodes your sense of normalcy in the real

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_01]: what you want is whatever you're addicted to or relief or whatnot. I don't know if this is a

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: situation where he's addicted to the ketamine or if he's going through other addictions and he

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: feels this is helping or I don't know what the specific situation in his circumstance was,

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's one of those things where at a certain point you just start debasing yourself to get whatever

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_01]: the drug is and that's true for everyone whether you are a well-off celebrity or someone who is

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: just a low level dealer or addict on the street. It doesn't really matter. We're all human beings

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and we all have those reactions to addictive substances to a certain extent. It's very

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_02]: sad. It makes me very sad for him. Yeah, well you're getting drug injections in a parking lot.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just something's done very wrong. Yeah, it's sad. Shall we get back to it? Sure. On October 10th,

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: 2023, co-conspirator Iwamasa sent a text message to co-conspirator Fleming seeking to purchase

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_01]: ketamine stating how much do you want per bottle and what is the nice tip you want?

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 10th, 2023, in response to the text message referenced above,

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: co-conspirator Fleming stated perfect and I'll bring to you and getting price now,

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I need some upfront to pay when I pick up and rest when I deliver.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 10th, 2023 using the signal encrypted messaging application,

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_01]: co-conspirator Fleming communicated with defendant Sunga about obtaining ketamine stating

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_01]: hi Jazz, it's Eric. Let me know your ad-ee. How many vials do you have availability?

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: On October 10th, 2023 using the signal encrypted messaging application co-conspirator Fleming

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and defendant Sunga communicated about the type and price of the ketamine that defendant Sunga

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: had available for sale. On October 10th, 2023 in text messages, co-conspirator Fleming told

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_01]: co-conspirator Iwamasa that he could attain vials of ketamine for $300, sent a photograph of ketamine

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_01]: he proposed selling and requested a $1,000 brokering fee. On October 11th, 2023 using the

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: signal encrypted messaging application, defendant Sunga told co-conspirator Fleming that her

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: ketamine was high quality and offered a sample of the drug for victim Matthew Perry to try

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_02]: stating it's unmarked but it's amazing. He take one and try it and I have more if he likes.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_01]: On October 11th, 2023 co-conspirator Fleming sent a screenshot to defendant Sunga's message

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: referenced above to co-conspirator Iwamasa stating just got this from my person she only deals with

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_01]: high end and celebs if it were not great stuff she'd lose her business. Let's stop there for

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_02]: a moment to just make an obvious statement that if you are a high end celebrity doing drug business

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: with the ketamine queen I imagine you would be very scared right now. Yes. Because we as we mentioned

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: at the top of the show when we read from that affidavit the police have her business journals

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_02]: so they know who you are and they know you've been buying drugs from her or at least that your

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_01]: people have been buying drugs from her. I hope they go after more people honestly I mean I mean

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_01]: for people who are dealing with addiction then I mean that could be it would ultimately be helpful

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: to them. Yes yeah get some help get help and then get rid of people who are enabling this by

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_01]: doing drug deals for you and again like I understand in the situation like there is a certain level

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: of power that the celebrities have and if they're hiring a personal assistant and saying get me

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: drugs I understand that there's pressure in that situation but just in general in life it's

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: better to just leave your job and not do illegal stuff than to try to make it work and do illegal

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: stuff for somebody. That's just I know that's probably not always the seen as the case in

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Hollywood but it's sort of true everywhere and it's a I know Hollywood you know is stereotypically

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: a place where it's like a lot of enabling a lot of bad behavior that kind of gets swept

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_01]: under the rug but I hope that doesn't happen here because I think there should be

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: accountability for all of this. Let's get back to it on October 12th 2023 Co-conspirator Fleming

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_02]: contacted Defendant Sanka to obtain a sample vial of ketamine and advised Defendant Sanka

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_02]: that the ketamine was intended for victim Matthew Perry. On October 12th 2023 after

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_01]: communicating with Defendant Sanka about her ketamine supply Co-conspirator Fleming

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_01]: advised Co-conspirator Iwamasa that his hookup that is Defendant Sanka was able to get the

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_01]: kind that is used for intramuscular. I guarantee it's going to be amazing and sent a photograph

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_01]: of unlabeled unmarked clear glass vials of ketamine to show Co-conspirator Iwamasa what they look

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: like. On October 12th 2023 Co-conspirator Fleming told Co-conspirator Iwamasa that he

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_02]: was willing to facilitate the drug deal but needed to make money stating I would not do this

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_02]: if there wasn't a chance of me making some money for doing this. On October 12th 2023 in text messages

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Co-conspirator Iwamasa asked to purchase more ketamine from Defendant Placentia and noted he

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: would pay Defendant Placentia the money he owed for ketamine that Defendant Placentia already

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_02]: provided as referenced. On October 12 2023 Defendant Placentia traveled to victim Matthew Perry's

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: residence in Los Angeles County to sell additional ketamine to Co-conspirator Iwamasa and victim

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Perry for which Co-conspirator Iwamasa paid Defendant Placentia approximately $21,500

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_01]: in cash. On October 12 2023 after Defendant Placentia injected victim Matthew Perry with a large dose

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: of ketamine that caused victim Matthew Perry to freeze up and his blood pressure to significantly

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: spike Defendant Placentia told Co-conspirator Iwamasa something to the effect of let's not do that again

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and nonetheless left additional vials of ketamine with Co-conspirator Iwamasa for injecting Matthew

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Perry. Well let's stop there that's a terrifying incident the man's blood pressure spikes he

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_02]: freezes up that's a sign for everyone there to realize there's plenty of signs here but that's

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_02]: a sign this is not safe we're playing with this man's life yeah and this man Placentia he is a doctor

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_01]: it's outrageous it's outrageous and it's interesting we're actually seeing sort of

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Iwamasa on behalf of Matthew Perry sort of soliciting we're almost seeing two sources of drugs we're

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: seeing the doctors Placentia and Chavez giving their end of it but he's also now starting to get

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: it from Sanga and Fleming is that right so like we're having kind of the the doctors who've gone

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_01]: bad and then we're having the more of traditional drug dealing apparatus and we're sort of seeing

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: how both of those things work I guess you know it's very interesting and it's also striking that

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: the doctors aren't being any more careful about the use of the substance substances than the

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_02]: dealers are yeah exactly he gives this guy an injection has awful side effects he says oh yeah

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_02]: this is dangerous well here's a bunch more see you later yeah it's outrageous I guess let's get back to it

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_02]: in on October 13th 2023 in response to a text messages from Defendant Placentia asking if co-conspirator

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Chavez would be interested in running a ketamine clinic with him co-conspirator Chavez said

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: interesting and as long as we are doing things on the up and up we can start ASAP all done

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_02]: legally without any shady stuff having them come to the clinic will ensure this on October 13th 2023

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_01]: in response to Defendant Placentia is asking oh so you don't agree with the method I'm currently doing

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_01]: co-conspirator Chavez stated it's not what I think it's what an entity like the California

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Medical Board would view it or the DEA okay let's talk about this what the so you have

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Chavez sort of maybe starting to express some some concern here mentioning shady stuff Placentia seeming

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_01]: to react very defensively but what Chavez is saying basically it's like I don't really look his own

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: opinions don't matter but like we could get in trouble with the DEA or the California Medical

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Chavez is saying yeah this is a good way to make money we just have to do things a little bit

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: differently so it's like some guilty knowledge there and seems like it's what what I'm seeing is

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: like Chavez is the guy who's getting the med is the getting the ketamine giving it to Placentia

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: who's running around and doing all sorts of inappropriate things that certainly makes Placentia

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_01]: more of the instigator but it certainly doesn't absolve Chavez from his role in this let's get

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: back to it on October 13th 2023 co-conspirator Fleming drove to the Sanga stash house in

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_02]: north Hollywood California and purchased a ketamine sample for victim Matthew Perry

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: which was contained inside an unlabeled unmarked clear glass vial with a blue cap

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_01]: on October 13th 2023 co-conspirator Fleming drove to victim Matthew Perry's residence and delivered

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_01]: the sample ketamine vial to co-conspirator Iwamasa knowing that co-conspirator Iwamasa would be

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: injecting victim Matthew Perry with the ketamine on October 13th 2023 co-conspirator Fleming

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_02]: told co-conspirator Iwamasa he could obtain as many vials of ketamine as co-conspirator Iwamasa

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_02]: requested stating let me know how many and I'll confirm what she can get but as of now she said

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_01]: she can fill any order on October 13th 2023 in response to the text messages referenced above

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_01]: co-conspirator Iwamasa told co-conspirator Fleming he would purchase 25 vials

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_01]: $5500 at 220 plus 500 for you for logistics on October 14th 2023 co-conspirator Fleming drove to

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_02]: victim Matthew Perry's residence located in Los Angeles County and collected cash from co-conspirator

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Iwamasa on October 14th 2023 co-conspirator Fleming drove to the Sanga stash house and

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: purchased 25 vials of ketamine from defendant Sanga on October 14th 2023 after obtaining the

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_02]: ketamine referenced above from defendant Sanga co-conspirator Fleming drove back to victim

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Perry's residence located in Los Angeles County and delivered the ketamine to co-conspirator

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Iwamasa on October 23 2023 co-conspirator Iwamasa sent a text message to co-conspirator Fleming

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_01]: requesting to purchase more ketamine stating can we do the same as last time again over the next

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: two days on October 23 2023 in response to the text message referenced above co-conspirator

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Fleming confirmed he could obtain more ketamine stating it will be same product you want same

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: amount put the 55 together ASAP and I'll come get it as soon as possible to get it all done

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_01]: tonight on October 23 2023 co-conspirator Fleming traveled to victim Matthew Perry's residence and

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: picked up approximately $6,000 in cash from co-conspirator Iwamasa which would be used to pay

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_02]: defendant Sanga for additional ketamine on October 24 2023 based on information from defendant

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Sanga co-conspirator Fleming sent text message updates to co-conspirator Iwan masa about

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: the delivery and timing of the ketamine including stating that defendant Sanga's ketamine source

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: which defendant Sanga referred to as the master chef and scientist would make the supply available

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and that the ketamine was on its way to our girl referring to defendant Sanga on October 24 2023

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_01]: co-conspirator Fleming traveled to the Sanga stash house purchased 25 miles of ketamine

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: from defendant Sanga in exchange for cash as part of that transaction defendant Sanga included ketamine

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_01]: lollipops as an add-on for victim Matthew Perry's large ketamine order on October 24 2023

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_02]: co-conspirator Fleming traveled to victim Matthew Perry's residence with the ketamine

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: referenced above and delivered to co-conspirator Iwamasa on October 24 2023 co-conspirator

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Iwamasa administered at least six shots of ketamine to victim Matthew Perry on October 24 2023

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_02]: despite less than a week earlier telling a patient at his clinic the victim Matthew Perry was too far

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_02]: gone and spiraling in his addiction defendant Placentia placed in order for 10 vials of

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: ketamine from wholesale ketamine distributor one so the defendant Placentia could offer

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_01]: to sell the ketamine to victim Matthew Perry on October 25 2023 defendant Sanga reached out to

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: co-conspirator Fleming about anticipated future transfers of ketamine to victim Matthew Perry

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_01]: stating please let me know if you think there will be another round because the scientists

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_01]: he'll be gone as well i'll have to know ahead of time to get that sorted out before we leave

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_02]: on October 25 2023 co-conspirator Iwamasa administered at least six shots of ketamine

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_01]: to victim Matthew Perry on October 26 2023 co-conspirator Iwamasa administered at least six

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_02]: shots of ketamine to victim Matthew Perry on October 27 2023 co-conspirator Iwamasa administered

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_01]: at least six shots of ketamine to victim Matthew Perry on October 27 2023 in text messages defendant

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Placentia offered to sell additional ketamine to co-conspirator Iwamasa stating i know you

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: mentioned taking a break i have been stocking up on the meanwhile i am not sure when you guys plan to

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: resume but in case it's when i'm out of town this weekend i have left supplies with a nurse of mine

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and i can always let her know the plan i will be back in town tuesday on October 28 2023 using

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: syringes provided by co-defendant Placentia co-conspirator Iwamasa injected victim Matthew

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Perry with at least three shots of the ketamine co-conspirator Iwamasa received from

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_02]: co-conspirator Fleming and defendant Sangha which resulted in the death and serious bodily injury

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_01]: of victim Matthew Perry on October 28 2023 after she learned about victim Matthew Perry's death

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_01]: from news reports defendant Sangha called co-conspirator Fleming using the signal application

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_01]: to discuss the co-conspirators distancing themselves from selling ketamine to victim

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Matthew Perry by among other things deleting digital evidence on their cell phones

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_02]: on October 28 2023 defendant Sangha updated the setting on the signal application to automatically

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_02]: delete her messages with co-conspirator Fleming and instructed co-conspirator Fleming

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_01]: delete all our messages on October 30 2023 using signal encrypted messaging application

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_01]: co-conspirator Fleming sent the following text message to defendant Sangha please call

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_01]: got more info and want to bounce ideas off you i'm 90% sure everyone is protected i never dealt with

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_01]: victim Matthew Perry only his assistant so the assistant was the enabler also they are doing

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_01]: a three month talk screening does k stay in your system or is it immediately flushed out

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: so that's the list of the word acts do you have any thoughts on it i mean it's a lot

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: i mean the reason we wanted to read them all out to you is to not only just give you a play

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_01]: by play about sort of the the end of Matthew Perry's life and sort of what he was going through but

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_01]: also showing what all these different players were actually doing it's one thing to just say

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_01]: well somebody sold somebody drugs it's another to see how does the drug sale actually happen

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_01]: who's doing it where is this ketamine coming from and it's happening over and over and over

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_02]: again these people are doing the same thing it's not like a one time saying it's not a one time mistake

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_01]: where you can kind of say well they didn't know was going to kill him and that was his choice to take

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it obviously it's his choice to take this ketamine he's obviously asking for it but it's obviously

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_01]: in a system that's a lot of enabling is going on a lot of bad decision-making is going on he's

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_01]: being treated like a cash cow as opposed to a human being and it's interesting that there's

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: just these two sources these kind of bad doctors frankly and then this this ketamine queen and her

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of salesman so I I kind of find that somewhat fascinating and I hope I hope you found it interesting

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: to ambassadors I also think the fact that afterwards the ketamine queen wanted to destroy

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_02]: evidence when to delete messages and stuff that is something that law enforcement investigators

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_02]: take very seriously because that's a real effort to toward justice if you are destroying

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_01]: evidence yes and I think it is interesting though I mean for what what you wrote here and

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_01]: just what we're looking at um sunga seems to be a huge focus of this uh because the government

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_01]: also filed for her to be kept in pre-trial detention why don't you read some of they

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_02]: actually filed a motion as he said why don't you read some of the arguments and points

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_02]: they made as to why they believe she should be locked up now even before trial sure these

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_01]: next three paragraphs yeah quote defendant has been dealing drugs from the sangha

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: stash house since at least 2019 defendants drug trafficking continued unabated during that half

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_01]: decade with defendant blithely indifferent to the fact that her ketamine contributed to the overdose

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: deaths of victim c.m. in 2019 and victim matthew parry in 2023 due to the high volume and long

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: history of defendants drug dealing the government is continuing to investigate whether other

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: victims exist there are troubling signs that defendant may be continuing to deal drugs while

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: on pre-trial release for one defendant continues to reside at the sunga stash house from where she

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: has long conducted her drug business it is unclear how defendant is financing the property or her

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: current lifestyle defendant rents the sunga stash house for thousands of dollars per month

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: but as reported by treat pre-trial services defendant sunga has been unemployed since 2019

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: prior to which she claimed to have been self-employed as an artist and singer who did art shows

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and remains unemployed since her initial detention hearing defendant was driving a rented range rover

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: at the time of the initial hearing and she's now leasing a 2024 bmw despite defendants period of

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: unemployment which notably ran concurrent to her operation of the sunga stash house location

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: i.e. 2019 to 2024 defendant claimed to earn thousands of dollars in income a month more

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: over as recently as july 24th 2024 defendant posted a photo to social media wearing a bracelet with the

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: word mushy and several mushroom charms notably defendant was arrested in march 2024 at the

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: sunga stash location with magic mushrooms and on the photo defendant added text that reads

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: pulling out the old rave or candy and hashtag rave to the grave suggesting that she cannot

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: be stopped and will persist in her drug lifestyle until death a callous choice of words considering

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: that her actions have sent two victims to theirs as a threshold matter defendant sentencing exposure

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: in this case creates a significant risk that defendant a dual citizen of the us and the

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: united kingdom will flee to avoid prosecution based on defendant's lifestyle and spending

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: she has the financial means to flee moreover although defendant has her had her passports

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: confiscated by law enforcement she holds british citizenship and is a lengthy history of international

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: travel including repeated trips to mexico spain and dupay as well as trips to canada china japan

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: italy gree south america dupay france and antigua in quote so basically she doesn't seem to have

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: any remorse she still seems to be engaging in and celebrating this type of behavior

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: she has resources and a passport it would be very easy for her to just leave

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and the fact that she's facing such as stiff sense would perhaps give her an incentive to

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: leave the country so i think those are pretty compelling arguments well yeah those are

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: pretty good arguments it's it's a it's a very troubling story i do want to say they may be

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: focusing on her because she sort of is more of a kingpin or a queen pin to a certain extent she

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: certainly seems to have a lot of money i'm not saying she's the highest person on whatever

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: chain she's a part of but she's certainly doing quite well for herself based on her lifestyle

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: but i don't want to i don't want to overlook what those doctors did either because even if

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: they're not as much of a focus i mean they very much played a huge role in this whole thing as well

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_01]: so i think it makes sense that they're all being looked at and there might be consequences here

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: i i think it's it's disturbing because i mean i'm i guess it's like when we're looking at all

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: these crimes you and i focus so much on overtly violent crimes so murder kidnapping sexual

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: assault things like that but that has resulted in me often having kind of the opinion that

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: in certain cases with drug dealers you know it's sort of like the war on drugs feels like a failed

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: paradigm in many respects and like is it good that we're like going this hard after drug dealers

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and i i think i do stand by that in some respects and i think tim sludd spoke to that in his

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: episode about this that will link to but there is a situation where especially the very high

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: level drug dealers they're making a lot of money off of people suffering and in many cases

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: death so having strong accountability for people in that circumstances i don't have a problem with

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: i think that's good i'd actually rather see someone like this go down for um a situation involving

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_01]: a death than even perhaps someone who's like a low level dealer on the street who's also addicted

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: this this person is is not a sympathetic defendant in that respect that makes sense

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: at all not none of these people are i mean it's it's just it's grotesque and i again we said this but

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: i hope they i hope there's more coming out of this or at the very least there's some publication of

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: who else is in her little green book so to speak because uh there needs to be more accountability

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and just like an ecosystem where if you have money you can get whatever you want even if

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: it's against the law even if it's going to kill you and if you're in her little green book and you

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: get exposed that may not be a bad thing it might save your life yeah people need help it was some

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: of the most disturbing lines in those overt acts were just the lines where it was iwamasa is like

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: injecting him with six vials of ketamine a day like a couple of days were just like six six six

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he's dead it's like wow he i mean that's just sad that's i mean that's just that's just really

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: really sad because he seemed like a person who was trying to fight his addictions at various times and

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: it just um it can be very hard to do that if you have people around you who are just enabling

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: everything instead of pushing you to get help in all of us who watch the show friends we have

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: i guess you'd call it the illusion that we knew this man and we cared about him and we enjoyed

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: his work and so maybe that makes us feel more of a connection it may be even more sorrow over this

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: but there are so many other people out there who we don't know who are also struggling and dying

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: because of these things and they deserve our love and compassion as well including victim cm

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the the first person that we know of who was killed from ketamine supplied by miss sungha

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: is just an awful ongoing slow motion uh tragedy and i hope something can be done to stop it at

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